What about an app that reports every LEO (not just ICE) around you? What would that accomplish except benefit criminals?
"Rules for thee, not for me."
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but clearly there has to be some credible argument why opinion X is better than opinion Y (held by company decision makers).
Assuming it’s just automatically better isn’t productive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple%E2%80%93FBI_encryption_d...
At least not in a logically valid way.
I don’t see how it relates to the prior comment.
An argument that pretends some authority can effect the logic of an argument?
Of course the government could also exert other means to pressure the company or simply negotiate. But that's outside of the rule of law.
You’ve also yet to explain how your comment 3 days ago relates to the comment before that… so there’s no reason for me to go on an unrelated discussion.
> It doesn’t matter if every expert concurred, arguments from authority can not lead to opinion X becoming superior to opinion Y.
> At least not in a logically valid way.
But that's not what happened. What happened is that Apple dropped their argument Y without much fighting, which they previously upheld in face of government pressure.
This is the party line, but in practice ICE is not acting 100% within lines of the law. Unfortunately, it's possible for politicians, and even entire government agencies to lie. The evidence shows that ICE has both failed to enforce the law, and even follow the law themselves. This puts ICEBlock within other crime mapping or offender identifying tools.
Do you think apps like waze should also be illegal? What possible reason would you want location of speed trap except to speed with impunity? Moreover whether it "benefits criminals" is irrelevant here, because the current legal standard is imminent lawless action[1]. Otherwise that would be license to ban all manner of materials, from anarchists cookbook to DRM circumvention tools.
There's an unbounded downside to allowing government too much power, including the power to act unobserved. Empowering criminals also has obvious drawbacks, but they're limited in scope.
"Rules for thee, not for me."
Those sympathetic to the American political right don't get to use that saying anymore, not even ironically. Not because it's offensive, but because they've effectively turned it into a tautology.
What if the real criminals were ICE all along?
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/federal-drug-prosec...
I have zero problem with fed-cops not being able to "do their job" in unfriendly jurisdictions without bringing serious amounts of force with them.
These locked down devices seems to be future tech is being pushed to. I suspect the TPM 2.0 requirement for Windows is a first step in Locking Down Laptops and Desktops.
Luckily Linux is not heading in this direction, yet. But I fear it will and baby steps may have already been taken. From what I have heard about OpenBSD and NetBSD, they will probably never lock down anything. FreeBSD, I am not sure about, but so far they are not going in that direction.
There was a story by FSF or maybe GNU detailing a possible future with using these devices. The story was you needed to get a license to use certain software. Debugging and Development tools required a specific license and permission.
I lost the link, but I think that is the future we are heading directly too :(
You mean the boogeyman that's been around for over a decade and precisely nothing has come of it? Moreover given the declining use of desktops/laptops, and the widespread prevalence of locked-down devices like smartphones, tablets, and streaming boxes, the battle over "locking down" has already been lost. If a company wants their app to run in a trusted environment, they can simply not offer a web version and enforce attestation (so you can't run it in an emulator or whatever).
Simulacra•4mo ago
Clearly, they would not, and cannot have an app that tracks a protected class, but what about an app that told people that antifa was nearby?
I see the logic in tracking government officials, but I think it cuts both ways and maybe neither should be allowed.
Of course the same argument could be made for Waze, but I don't know where you draw the line without blowback to others. I think there is a line, I just don't know where it is.
Motives? Perceived danger?
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But you did show your hand so I guess we all benefited in some way.
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