Wine 10.16 (Dev) – Run Windows Applications on Linux, BSD, Solaris and macOS

https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/releases/wine-10.16

43•neustradamus•4mo ago

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Razengan•4mo ago

People writing emulators are the unsung heroes of tech and art preservation /salute

freedomben•4mo ago

Obligatory wine is not an emulator.

But yeah I agree, wine is an awesome emulator, and these people are heroes

xyzzy_plugh•4mo ago

You're practically begging for it...

Wine Is Not an Emulator!

Wowfunhappy•4mo ago

It obviously is an emulator though (which uses entirely HLE). Notably, Wine doesn't use the acronym anymore (about page prefixes with "originally known as").

okanat•4mo ago

It is not a traditional emulator which is a virtual machine that executes foreign bytecode or ar least uses a virtual hardware setup. QEMU fits that sense of emulator. Wine doesn't.

Wine lets userspace code to be executed as is with the full permissions of the host system. It is more like an alternative executable format support package / subsystem. It needs to emulate the Windows system DLL calls, but everything else is no different than loading a piece of ELF executable and jumping into it.

csb6•4mo ago

This is true but it is pedantic. When people say “emulator” they usually mean “software that lets me run a program on platforms other than the original intended platform”. They don’t care about the implementation details. At some point we need to internally correct minor errors of terminology because the meaning is clear in context.

SapporoChris•4mo ago

How are you able to distinguish when people use a word as it is defined from when they redefine it to something else?

For myself, I make every attempt to use words correctly.

stuaxo•4mo ago

True, though as soon as they supported Power PC Mac, emulators have been integrated with it as needed.

stevefan1999•4mo ago

Wine is not an emulator, as it runs unmodified PE executable by mocking the ABI calls, translating them to Linux equivalent. You can say it is like Windows on Linux, just like Windows on Windows 64, otherwise, WoW64 would be considered an emulator.

The only difference is that only programs that fully uses userspace works, and anything that uses kernel driver will fail miserably. In this sense, games worked out the best because they usually have high level of independence and self-contained, with hardware abstraction layers to make things highly compatible.

If you want to talk about similar stuff, FreeBSD have a Linux compatibility layer similar to Wine. You can use that as a reference, despite both FreeBSD and Linux use ELF, and Windows use PE.

But to be honest at the end of the day, it's just program header describing code sections, library imports/exports and relocations, and this is why you can run Windows app on Linux basically untouched, given you can reverse engineer userspace Windows API calls 100% precisely.

And the legal aspect of it, well...

Also, there is a project called Winlator (https://github.com/brunodev85/winlator) that combines Wine + Box64/Box86 to run x86 games on Wine on Android. Now that is what I call an emulator since Box64/Box86 really is one.

Razengan•4mo ago

Shush it lets me play Monkey Island on a Mac it’s an emulator

potamic•4mo ago

Why isn't there something similar for running OSX apps on linux? Should be easier than wine in theory because it's unix based?

yjftsjthsd-h•4mo ago

There is: https://www.darlinghq.org/

(It is, unfortunately, newer and much less far along, probably purely because there's less dev-hours and dollars in it)

stevefan1999•4mo ago

Yes, of course it can be done, but instead of dealing with PE, now you have to deal with Mach-O

throwaway2046•4mo ago

Wine has seen a massive improvement since the introduction of WoW64, and now it apparently supports 16-bit programs too. Many thanks to the Wine devs who made this possible.

drnick1•4mo ago

It's amazing how far Wine has come. Proton combines Wine with DVXK and other libraries and allows to play practically any Windows game on Linux with a negligible performance hit. I remember using Proton around 2021 and it already worked fairly well but now the experience is incredibly smooth. 2025 is definitely the year of the Linux gaming desktop.

Wowfunhappy•4mo ago

Has it gotten better at running applications, as opposed to games? That was the big thing that seemed to still be hit or miss last time I looked.

nxobject•4mo ago

Changelog item: "#21855 – Lotus Word Pro 9.8: Windows pull down does not show file names". Reported 2010, closed 2025...

typpilol•4mo ago

How that didn't get closed for being stale is amazing

drnick1•4mo ago

Linux is gaining ground on desktops so I expect that an increasing number of developers will make sure their apps run on Wine going forward, either by directly contributing to the project or by making the necessary changes in their own programs. I think so far it’s mostly gaming that benefited, because of Valve’s contributions, but generic desktop apps should be easier technically speaking.

Wowfunhappy•4mo ago

Are you trying to say that this is The Year of Linux on the Desktop? :)

(I’d love it to be true, it’s just, you know.)

frendiversity•4mo ago

> 2025 is definitely the year of the Linux gaming desktop.

yjftsjthsd-h•4mo ago

So I'm curious; the tagline/title is,

> Run Windows Applications on Linux, BSD, Solaris and macOS

Obviously it gets used a lot on Linux (not only because of SteamOS using it through Proton, but that certainly contributes), I think I've read about people using it on Darwin, but how much testing/use does it get on the BSDs and Solaris?

d3Xt3r•4mo ago

Can't speak for Solaris, but the BSDs do get some love from the Wine devs. There are even active BSD gaming communities to make BSD gaming viable, much like Linux+Proton! https://youtu.be/vQpI7SU921A

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Wine 10.16 (Dev) – Run Windows Applications on Linux, BSD, Solaris and macOS

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