> Here's a thought experiment: imagine if Daniel Ek had launched Spotify in 2008 by scraping every song off the internet, hosting them on his servers, and telling record labels to pound sand. How long would Spotify have lasted? Instead, Spotify carefully negotiated each deal as it launched territory by territory.
Yeah that's my understanding as well: unfortunately laws seem to only apply for us peasants...
One difference though is that for Spotify removing pirated files from their servers was trivial, while for LLM companies like OpenAI and Google they would have to retrain their models from scratch, which would be extremely expensive, so what they do instead is to filter problematic results that are too obvious.
ljlolel•4mo ago
Besides that being hearsay, that statement says “early beta” not launched
veeti•4mo ago
Isn't that fairly close to what actually happened though? "Spotify's Beta Used 'Pirate' MP3 Files, Some from Pirate Bay (2017)" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43169461
pera•4mo ago
One difference though is that for Spotify removing pirated files from their servers was trivial, while for LLM companies like OpenAI and Google they would have to retrain their models from scratch, which would be extremely expensive, so what they do instead is to filter problematic results that are too obvious.
ljlolel•4mo ago