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How I'm Using Helix Editor

https://rushter.com/blog/helix-editor/
70•f311a•2h ago

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scuff3d•1h ago
I still prefer Neovim but I'm glad to see Helix getting some love recently. Hopefully it continues to do well.

Last I checked they still don't have a plugin system., I bet they'll see a jump in popularity when that gets going.

mgrandl•1h ago
I think the plugin system is close, the author is just busy with other things before doing the final push to get it merged.
dannyfritz07•1h ago
Interesting. What happens when you open a file in the yazi pop-up? Does it create a buffer in Helix?
wilkystyle•58m ago
I've recently been on a little side quest to rebuild my editor configurations (20 year Emacs user, 15 year Vim user—in parallel with Emacs because I can't seem to pick a favorite). The goal is to see how quickly I can get to a daily-driving complete setup for enterprise-grade software work largely in Python. My goal for the rebuild is to see how much I can drop as far as reliance on third-party extensions and still have the functionality that I need (or which makes me unreasonably more productive).

My Neovim configuration[0] is currently the best it's been IMO, but I ended up having a few more plugins than I thought I would need.

I am earlier along in my Emacs rebuild, but what is really interesting to me is that there are a lot of improvements in modern versions of Emacs (30+) that dramatically reduce my dependence on third party plug-ins. Eglot has been fantastic for me, as a former long-time lsp-mode user. Completion preview mode is not quite a replacement for corfu, but it's pretty darn good and only going to get better.

So far my list of must have plug-ins for Emacs:

- Magit - Expreg (teeesitter expand region) - Multiple cursors - dape (debugging in coordination with Eglot)

Thinking I will probably end up adding Consult + orderless, too, as that is a search/navigation superpower.

[0] https://github.com/wilkystyle/nvim

edit to add nvim repo link

dannyfritz07•43m ago
That is quite a lot of nvim plugins to maintain! I just rewrote my nvim last week with 4 plugins (mini.nvim counts as 1). I feel when I stack up too many plugins the stability and reliability of nvim plummets to an annoying level.

I envy that with emacs you feel you only need 2 plugins. That probably operates with a ton more stability.

https://codeberg.org/dannyfritz/dotfiles/src/commit/b647b440...

dannyfritz07•41m ago
Newer nvim is also slowly eating into the plugins needed. There is a built in plugin manager, diff viewer, and lsp now.
petepete•10m ago
Undotree functionality was recently merged in too.
ramon156•54m ago
For people who use helix and want a TUI, why choose this over neovim? I like the defaults in helix until I don't, and then have to change stuff.

For people who use helix and want the full IDE experience, why not Zed, or maye even VSC/JetBraind IDE (come to think of it, how's fleet doing?).

If i need something simple I fall back to nvim, and if I'm missing features I sometimes boot up WebStorm (or if a colleague wants to navigate through something)

derleyici•48m ago
Speaking to the second point, it's clear that some folks will avoid quitting the terminal at all costs. I could very well be one of them. :-D
f311a•37m ago
Personally, I don't like the idea of maintaining 500+ lines of config with tens of plugins. Setting up neovim from scratch is pretty tedious. Using something like lazyvim sets up 50 plugins, which are updated by simply taking the most recent commits from respective git repositories.

It’s only a matter of time before someone deploys something malicious to one of those 50 plugins.

Language support in JetBrains IDEs is top-notch, but they consume a lot of resources and do not work well for remote development in my experience. I still open them from time to time to do complex refactoring. Also, I just hate the idea of opening Goland, RustRover, and PyCharm at the same time. I have a monorepo at work with multiple languages.

tpmoney•27m ago
As someone who spent some time over the last few years working through trying to daily drive neovim, helix, emacs, and nano, the out of the box experience with helix is far and away the best experience of them. The defaults are very well chosen. Additionally the contextual help and hints are very good for helping you use and remember commands you don't use often. I also personally found that helix's order of operations for commands to make a lot more sense to my brain compared to vim's.

Part of it for me is that I really don't like the massive plugin / config wall that is the modern neovim/spacemacs experience. I truly appreciate the extensibility and the fact that those plugins allow for things helix just can't do right now (e.g. emacs is effectively the IDE for any lisp language and you can't load up a repl in helix). But the problem with that becomes not only do I need to learn the application itself, but now I need to learn a whole bunch of plugins, and often learn about the differences between them because everyone has their own preferences in combinations, so looking up how to do something covered by a plugin often leads you to multiple incompatible answers. And even if you bite the bullet on trying to build your own config from scratch (which I did with emacs) you're still often just taking on faith other people's recommendations on stuff, or spending a lot of time learning about a plugin to make a decision and that time is time you're not spending on whatever you want to be doing.

Helix benefits from being new and not carrying generations of legacy decisions behind it. As a result, helix can make decisions and defaults that fit "modern" expectations. It's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it's also probably what I would recommend for someone "new to the TUI" as a place to start when you just need something with a good chunk of modern conveniences and don't want to spend the next few weeks getting the editor configured.

ixsploit•26m ago
I really like the great defaults helix comes with.

I used neovim for 20 years and still like it a lot. But after some plugins broke I wanted to give helix a try. I am missing a plugin system in helix.

However, for me, helix comes with the nearly perfect amount of functionality, while being extremely responsive. It also made me appreciate stuff like multicursor, which I haven’t tried before.

I tried multiple out of the box nvim solutions, but never liked one of those.

I looked into zed, but don’t see much of a reason to use it. Maybe I should give it a try.

n8henrie•23m ago
I do a ton of work on low-power devices over SSH. Helix launches almost instantly; neovim with a similar level of functionality (via plugins) has considerably more startup lag and considerably more maintenance cost.

I also know enough rust to try to help fix bugs but don't know any C family languages; I have a strong preference to use open-source projects written in languages I know.

reppap•21m ago
I suspect editor choices are not super rational. A lot of it comes down to what feels right, new, exciting, engaging, and not so much what is theoretically optimal.
dcre•7m ago
Simple config and I prefer the selection-first editing model. After talking to other Vim users who had a hard time adjusting to Helix, I think I must have used Vim in a pretty Helix-like way to begin with — selecting first. I never could get used to vim motions where the target text is not visualized.
heldrida•14m ago
Interesting that every time Helix comes up, someone just has to mention Neovim. You never see Emacs or Helix users do that the other way around. Almost as if they’re personally offended.
tiffanyh•8m ago
Isn’t the reason more benign.

Neovim exist to improve upon concepts in Vim (easier plugin development with Lua).

Helix exists to improve upon concepts in Neovim (need for less plugins, more out of box functionality).

lawn•5m ago
Not that surprising to be honest.

Helix is more similar to Neovim than Emacs and Helix is newer and less popular than Neovim, so people are predictably curious on why they should choose Helix over Neovim.

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