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Asbestosis

https://diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2025/10/asbestosis.html
58•zeristor•2h ago

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XorNot•1h ago
Asbestos is genuinely more terrifying then nuclear radiation.

If something is radioactive then a Geiger counter will tell you at a distance, it'll even triangulate it.

Asbestos? It can be everywhere and the only way to know is to collect samples, pay $100 a piece to a lab to do phase contrast microscopy and wait.

Then do it again the next time you find something suspicious.

And once you've cleaned it out..well hope your handling was good coz who knows if you got it all - without collecting a lot of samples and testing again.

My house has a few asbestos pieces, and in digging up the yard I've pulled a huge amount of asbestos fiber cement from cheap renovations by previous owners - the stuff was about 10 cm below the surface.

CheeseFromLidl•53m ago
Its carcinogenic “modus operandi” is also completely different to anything else. Asbestos is chemically inert, so how does is cause cancer? The tiny crystalline needles puncture cells, sometimes during cell division, and strands of dna will get tangled up and result in messed up genetics.
Aldipower•33m ago
Yes and I would like to add, it is all about the "dose". It is a common misconception that tangled DNA will automatically lead to spreading cancer. Per day a normal person develops tangled up dna cells in the hundreds, that is a normal process, but the immune system can handle it without problems and can get rid of it (unfortunately not always). So with Asbestos it is all about the dose too. Although a relative small amount could be already _potential_ harmful.
jabl•19m ago
I'm not a doctor or researcher in that field, but my understanding is that cancer is not 'one disease', but rather a huge number of different diseases which mostly have in common that they develop some kind of tumors.

That's also one reason why progress in cancer research and drug development is so slow. 'Fix' one cancer, and what you've developed likely has little effect on the zillion other cancer variants.

anovikov•5m ago
It's not at all uncommon. Virtually everything that has tiny sharp pieces in it, will work like that. Graphene for instance.
emmelaich•47m ago
If it's intact and below surface the risk is far lower. You have to worry about airborne asbestos.

Not saying you should ignore it but don't dig it up without knowing what you're in for.

KaiserPro•50m ago
I know its not fashionable, but things like asbestos is the point of regulation.

If you ignore the health effects, asbestos is a fucking brilliant material, strong(if used with a binder) exceptionally fireproof, UV stable and fairly inert.

Why _wouldn't_ you use it? To use modern parlance; only melts wouldn't use it, thats who (this message brought to you by your friendly corporate sponsor...)

The problem is that it still kills now[1]. Because its a time bomb, with a dwell time of well over 10-20 years, its very lard to pin point the cause.

The only way that its _stopped_ being put into building materials is through regulation. The problem now for us, especailly in the UK is the power of regulation is being ablated through incompetence, funding cuts and a concerted effort by those who stand to benefit from a weakened regulatory system.

Most regulation is formed from the blood of victims. We may not _like_ what the regulation is, and lord knows it needs improving. But to not have it, or worst, have it and not be enforced, is a terrible state of affairs.

[1]https://neu.org.uk/latest/library/what-real-risk-asbestos-sc...

DrewADesign•20m ago
Our business leaders have successfully painted shortsightedness, greed, and nihilism as beneficial business traits embraced by adults willing to accept life’s difficult realities.

In reality, only personal and group morality protected our society from such forces, and letting ethics retard profit and growth became seriously uncool in the 80s hippie backlash.

pac0•48m ago
> My Dad lost his Dad at the age of 34, which is no age at all in the grand scheme of things. By contrast I still have my Dad at the age of 60, which has meant an extra quarter century of guidance, support, advice, love and always being there. How lucky am I?

I lost my father when I was 30. I thought I’d been lucky because I’d had him through my “adult” life. Now I’m 40 and have a 2-year-old son, and over these past ten years I think it’s when I would have most liked to have him — when more questions came up about what he was really like as a person, beyond his role as a father. He died at 72 from lung cancer; he had been smoking since he was 13 and never went to the doctor. I guess I was lucky after all…

irjustin•25m ago
Overall we're having kids later and later myself included. This is one of the natural consequences I will face. Sometimes I wish it had kids in my twenties but for now I'm glad I didn't. We'll see.
aidos•43m ago
It comes up a lot on the diyuk subreddit so they have pinned mega thread about it. I like it to give a little balance to the conversation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DIYUK/comments/133jq4r/the_is_this_...

Etheryte•24m ago
I don't really think asbestos is something that needs balance to the conversation. It's like radioactive material, you will most likely not even know that you've had too much exposure until your health is already permanently affected. The illness may manifest a considerable time later so you might not even know what it was. It's very easy to unknowingly be exposed when e.g. renovating a house or other similar arrangements because there is no easy visual way to identify materials containing asbestos.
bschwindHN•40m ago
I recently came across this unfortunate promotion for asbestos from back in the day:

https://imgur.com/V1QcX7I

bjobjobjo•32m ago
And I just found this related passage in the Wikipedia article:

> More than 1,000 tons of asbestos are thought to have been released into the air following the buildings' destruction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos

beejiu•23m ago
It's unfortunate this article is about the UK and Imgur has blocked the UK because of the Online Safety Act :(
sva_•17m ago
I wouldn't blame Imgur for that, but the UK gov + people who elected them/didn't resist.
beejiu•17m ago
Oh yes, please don't think I was blaming Imgur!
rwmj•11m ago
All parties supported the OSA (and it's surprisingly popular too) because "something must be done [about the internet], this is something, so this must be done".
jabl•13m ago
Asbestos was also used as 'fake snow'. Famously the snow scene in the 'Wizard of Oz' movie was 100% pure asbestos.
taneq•33m ago
Supercalifragilisticmesothilioma.
wewewedxfgdf•25m ago
Plenty of people die from asbestos exposure when renovating their house.
rwmj•14m ago
Our house has an asbestos flue in the bathroom. I'm very careful never to go near that thing, and never ever to cut/drill/attempt to remove it myself. But I wonder how many people would never know it was asbestos.
krbaccord94f•13m ago
Designing the way to route amplifiers in aesbesto attic, which is one element for compressed exposure to respitory disease.
zeristor•13m ago
I posted diamondgeezer’s blog post on High Street to HackerNews some time ago, and he was most bemused by the HackerNews effect on his website.

I’ve also just posted his great article on British Summer Time, I would have that would have been more popular;

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45710093

KronisLV•4m ago
When I was younger, my dad had me help him repair the roof of the shed by getting on top of it, putting these sorts of flexible sheets over the old corrugated ones (that are made of asbestos cement) and driving nails through the top one all the way until it'd hit the wood frame underneath.

Now, asbestosis is more common in long term exposure so it might be fine, but the idiocy of not bothering to tell me to wear a respirator and ignorance after I brought it up years later makes me disgusted. So now I have to wonder whether decades later I'll have complications without clear ways to address them.

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