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Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

https://www.theregister.com/2025/11/04/dhs_wants_to_collect_biometric_data/
70•SanjayMehta•1h ago

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analog8374•1h ago
In other news, water is wet.
slg•1h ago
It's weird how many people's perception of this type of behavior is shaped by the person sitting in the White House.

EDIT: It's also weird how my comment is being perceived exclusively as criticizing the critics of this administration rather than criticizing the supporters of this overreach. My comment was intentional phrased very generally, if you think it is specifically about you, that reveals something about you.

nozzlegear•53m ago
Fwiw, I would be unhappy with the Biden and Obama administrations trying to do this as well. For me this has nothing to do with who's in the White House, it's an overreach plain and simple.
pixelready•37m ago
100%. Let’s not let partisanship distract us from the omni-presence of the military industrial complex and the authoritarian bent of everyone who’s been in power in the US over the last several decades. Dems will tinker around the edges to make it more palatable, but there’s still: black sites, torture, drone strikes, unjustified wars, installing of puppet governments in sovereign nations, abuse of the commons for private profit and an absolute hunger for every scrape of your data to monitor and manipulate you no matter who is in the White House.

If I have to choose between voting for pro-corporate neoliberalism or fascism 2.0, I’ll vote the former, but that’s basically just asking which speed you’d like quality of life to erode for the average person. I’d really like a couple more options on the ballot please.

doctoboggan•51m ago
I see it as a blessing: privacy advocates have previously argued that yes these invasive tools might currently help an honest government do its job to stop bad guys, but the tools could eventually fall into the hands of a not so honest government. Now, you don't really need much of an imagination to see what happens when the tools fall into the wrong hands, and hopefully more of the citizenry can get behind the idea of privacy as a fundamental right, and not just something for those who have something to hide.
harimau777•50m ago
Wouldn't it be weird if that didn't shape their perception? It's not surprising that people are less trusting when an authoritarian is in power.
postingawayonhn•47m ago
But the assumptions should always be that one day someone like that could take power and gain access to that data.
ModernMech•24m ago
The way to prevent authoritarians from abusing power is to not elect them, and to throw them in jail when they violate the law. They're not hard to spot; people warned about the current guy for a decade before he took over.

What's happening right now is not because the government had a database lying around and an unspecified authoritarian picked it up.

What's happening is that after a specific authoritarian staged a coup against the government, he was nevertheless allowed to continue his anti-democratic efforts. Trump should have a 27 year sentence like his Brazilian compatriot Bolsonaro, who in monkey-see-monkey-do fashion, similarly affected a coup against his government. Had we actually prosecuted those crimes the way Brazil did, we could still be talking about how to prevent theoretical authoritarian governments from abusing their power. But now we have a specific instance, and in this case, all the anti-authoritarian measures in the world mean jack if the government just allows actual insurrectionists to run for president, which is barred by the Constitution for a good reason. In that case they're just asking for it.

slg•19m ago
>The way to prevent authoritarians from abusing power is to not elect them, and to throw them in jail when they violate the law.

This was the true motivation for my comment. It's futile trying to design your laws to withstand the dangers of a future authoritarian regime taking power when that authoritarian regime can just as easily change or ignore those laws once they take control. Our government is experiencing a rubber hose attack, the strength of our encryption doesn't matter.

ModernMech•13m ago
Yup, the fight against American authoritarianism happened between 2015 and 2025. It's now over, authoritarianism won. All that's left now is for it to burn itself out as people bear the consequences they refused for a decade to entertain were possible.

We spent 10 years warning about him, pointing out his specific authoritarian tendencies, January 6 was predicted years before it happened, but when people said "he's not going to leave" they were met with mockery.

Who tf cares about databases when their plan was to just use their power to throw out entire states worth of votes? The entire J6 plot was that Pence was to reject the certification of the vote so that states could send "alternative electors" who voted for Trump, which would have disenfranchised millions of people at once. What is the law supposed to do against such anti-democratic "might makes right" depravity? At that point, the players have abandoned the game entirely, they're playing by different rules, your laws are meaningless.

dabbledash•21m ago
They should bear in mind that someone they consider an authoritarian will inevitably be elected.
parineum•9m ago
What makes this objectionable is that it's an authoritarian thing to do.
rootusrootus•6m ago
At this point, at least a third of the country always thinks an authoritarian is in power.
comrh•49m ago
Biden cancelled this during his administration
jMyles•42m ago
It's also weird how people gatekeep resistance on the basis of their perception that it's motivated by the person sitting in the White House.

If people are ready to resist now, let's welcome them, rather than questioning whether their motives are related to some tangentially related disagreement.

wagwang•58m ago
How is this news, the usgov has been taking my biometrics for the past 5 years
nozzlegear•55m ago
Have they? They haven't taken mine.
y-curious•43m ago
Every time I fly from SFO, there’s a face-tracking camera that takes your photo after you stand up close to it. There’s definitely some sort of data harvesting there and there’s no opt out that I know about.

I also have Clear, which was voluntary but certainly collected my biometric data years ago.

I also have Global Entry, which has a similar scanning tech to point 1.

abeppu•16m ago
Yeah, I think the crappy side of it at this point is that the biometric data they collect is never leveraged to help you as a citizen.

If I lose my passport while abroad, given that the government has my fingerprints etc, why can't I use those biometrics to reenter the country (and have a replacement passport reissued immediately)?

Officially, you are supposed to be able to opt out of the face recognition cameras at security but I think whether staff actually respect that is not consistent.

yannyu•38m ago
As a US citizen, you likely have your photo in a state or federal database somewhere from getting your ID or driver's license.

Depending on your job, background check history, or interactions with the police, your fingerprints might be in a database somewhere.

If you fly, your facial image/photograph/video is held by TSA and also as part of the REAL ID program.

So there are some biometrics that the government has of us, but clearly the article is describing a huge increase in not just the kind of biometric data collected, but also the kinds of people who would be required to give it up.

wagwang•21m ago
I've gotten scanned at the airport on entry and for my greencard h1b/greencard applications, I had to go get scanned at a biometrics center.

https://www.uscis.gov/forms/filing-guidance/preparing-for-yo...

JumpCrisscross•19m ago
> They haven't taken mine

If you let have a passport, State has your face.

aerostable_slug•56m ago
I think it's an interesting visual to compare the Stasi's rows of scent jars to data centers filled with banks of flash memory storing biometric data.
cynicalsecurity•44m ago
EU's recently rejected chat control looks like child's play compared to this. These are some Stasi methods that are going to destroy the US if implemented. Europe already went through creating dossier on citizens in the past, the next immediate step is always fascism. Nothing good comes out of fascism, as the history showed.
jedberg•42m ago
Did you know that the State of California has a DNA sample from every person born in the state since 1983? It's required by law for the hospital to collect it and give it to the state.
zahlman•37m ago
... The concept of DNA sample collection existed in 1983?
evanjrowley•33m ago
https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/tag/newborn-blood-spot-pr...
jedberg•32m ago
They actually started in 1966 (it's a blood spot collection) but they only started keeping it in 1983.
zahlman•18m ago
And what information did they hope to glean back then?
yannyu•31m ago
This is a particularly incendiary way of putting this information out there.

What is collected and stored is a small blood-spot sample from a heel prick on a newborn. This is used to test for various kinds of conditions that affect newborns.

This isn't a full DNA genome sequence or even any data at all, just the blood-spot specimen.

Law enforcement does not have automatic access to this sample, but individual samples have been given to law enforcement through court orders or warrants. There isn't a clear SOP for how law enforcement typically gets this information or how often it's given to law enforcement, but there's been proposed legislation to make this more transparent.

jedberg•28m ago
> This is a particularly incendiary way of putting this information out there.

Was it inaccurate?

yannyu•23m ago
It's about as accurate a Buzzfeed headline, but I guess that's par for the course on the internet these days.

It's not a "DNA sample" in the way that most people would consider it these days, no more than a used cup would also be called a "DNA sample". But to your point, it can still be used for surveillance and tracking.

Also, your phrasing is designed to make it seem like a huge overreach, when this act has likely saved millions of lives through early diagnosis of preventable diseases and early intervention on disabilities. I have personally experienced this.

So yes, I do think your framing here is inaccurate through omission of key facts.

pdonis•21m ago
> this act has likely saved millions of lives through early diagnosis of preventable diseases and early intervention on disabilities

Why does the state have to collect and keep the sample for that to happen? Why can't it be the private property of the parents, provided to whatever private testing labs are used to do the tests?

yannyu•15m ago
That seems like a fair criticism. I don't know enough to quantify the benefit of retaining these samples, but I do know that the reason for keeping samples primarily relates to quality control, research, and development of tests.

There is a process for people to have the sample destroyed, I also have no idea how easy or how often that is used.

rolph•21m ago
it was misinformation, the DNA in such a sample is not only miniscule and unstandardized, but also not treated for longterm archival specimen retention.

the blood "spot" is about general morphology, and antigenic specificity.

chneu•21m ago
It's very inaccurate.

OP made it sound like Cali was genome sequencing everyone born in the state and then storing that.

What's really going on is they're doing routine blood tests.

So yeah, pretty inaccurate.

postflopclarity•21m ago
the implication was misleading, yes. the implication being that California has database of its citizens' genetic data. when the reality is that CA has a _physical sample_ of blood.
layman51•28m ago
Do you have a source? I know there is an index[0] of the information on California birth certificates from 1905 to 1995 and technically, despite the privacy implications, birth records in California are considered "public record".

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Birth_Index

jedberg•24m ago
https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CFH/DGDS/Pages/nbs/default....
lesona•17m ago
You can submit a public comment on the proposal to DHS at the link below:

https://www.regulations.gov/document/USCIS-2025-0205-0002/co...

yosame•14m ago
Hilariously, this is the second Sam that wants to collect everyones iris's for nefarious purposes
tho423i43344324•8m ago
Unsurprising.

India, which given its colonial-era ruling-elites who are maniacally obsessed with the Anglosphere, is today considered a "laboratory" for doing social experiments that'd be considered a outrage against human dignity in their own countries. This country was the first in line not only the biometric identification projects (Aadhar), and for demonetization (of 2016 with UPI). All of these were funded and pushed by USAID.

Both of these were implemented by running roughshod over constitution and regulation, by "roping-in" key regulatory people by giving them what they desire the most - access to the ruling elites in the US. Eg. Infosys' Nandan Nilekani was thrust to the top with his USAID funded projects.

Now the results of this "human corralling" experiments (note: a lot of what Orwell described came out of his experience in British-colonial India), is now coming to the West.

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