GPT-4 was released in early 2023. Back then AI maximalists were saying AGI is near. We're approaching early 2026 and we obviously aren't anywhere close to anything any reasonable person would consider AGI. But what do we have? "Agents" that are mostly useless. Image and video clip content generators that are pretty much only good for social media memes and spam. We do have better software development tools, but that's not a life changing advancement.
It seems like in order for all this speculation and all these massive build-outs to pay off we're going to need AI to redefine how we work and live within the next 3-5 years. Even if we AI development doubles or triples what it's been able to do in the last 3-5 years, I don't see this happening.
So, when this does not happen, when the AI hype does not live up to the promises, by a longshot, what will happen to the markets?
If any anthropic reps read this, I think you guys, while probably better than open AI and meta, possibly Google, are delusional and are more likely to destroy the world than create infinite human life.
Has it? I couldn't find the returns for his fund. Since you have them can you post them and highlight what about them are horrific?
- In May 2021, Scion disclosed it acquired put options on Tesla shares.
- In August 2023, it was reported Scion anticipated a stock market crash and acquired $1.6 billion worth of put options to bet against the ETFs that tracked the S&P 500 and the Nasdaq-100.
- Scion also was noted to have held a large put option against the iShares Semiconductor ETF.
However, nothing about any of those points indicate his performance has been horrific.
All that matters are his returns against his reference index. That's the only relevant measure.
EDIT I did manage to find his returns via chatgpt and the OP is correct that they haven't been great in some periods, but his last 5 year average is +85% which isn't bad, not great, but not bad.
He is also up about 10% over the past year, so not great and not terrible, he's mid as the kids say.
You would expect that with low probability, highly leveraged bets, which shorts largely are. You are wrong most of the time and then make a giant pile of money when you are right. People definitely should understand that strategy though and not just follow him blindly into investments without the expectation that you will probably lose your money almost every time.
The news is essentially about making a bet, as the title suggests, with no real evidence or information on who will pull the money out or how it will happen. Just because the price is high doesn’t necessarily mean there will be an outflow. It’s more like gambling, based on speculation rather than solid facts.
You need to time the crash. If you're off, it could still crash and you could spend more money sustaining the position than you'd make. Or you could end up getting margin called, not just by semi-impotent private investors as Michael Burry was, but by the platform you're trading on itself. "You've lost too much money so far based on the current valuation, so we're going to seize this option and you'll owe us the balance". Trading at high leverages with Daddy's money, people on /r/wallstreetbets sometimes get margin called and end up owing much, much more money than they put in.
Before putting any money in, make damn sure you're able to write at least a 101-level summary of the different types of trades.
I did this in February 2020, and then bet a modest amount on the proposition "People keep saying that COVID isn't going to be a big deal, and I think they're very wrong". I still managed to lose out because I didn't foresee the Federal Reserve bombing the market with freshly printed cash. I lost it all. But what I didn't do, is end up owing millions of dollars I don't have to the brokerage, because I stuck to buying put options rather than selling call options or shorting stocks outright.
Timing aside? To what extent the Federal Reserve would intervene in an NVDA price collapse is an open question, because at this point a collapse in AI investment would threaten the solvency of entirely unrelated financial institutions.
“Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.” ― John Maynard Keynes
Fixed down side, upside is $100 per contract per dollar the stock is below the strike at expiry. You can also sell them before then, and price depends on time to expiry, volatility, and distance to the strike price. See Black-Scholes model for more info.
> If you're off, it could still crash and you could spend more money sustaining the position than you'd make.
And in Black Scholes this is called Theta Decay. In any form of short, there are maintenance costs, and maintenance costs roughly scale with the risk-free interest rate (usually assumed to be roughly the Federal Reserve's overnight lending rate)
Theta Decay is above-and-beyond the risk-free rate because you're also losing time-value. So you must always factor in the amount of time before a predicted crash: the longer it takes the more money you lose.
I think the idea is, as a put buyer (market taker), this has already been baked into the option premium. The only "maintenance cost" in the sense of a cost that adds to an open position is from interest on margin loans.
There would be a maintenance cost from rolling the position into a later expiry, but I think the impression is that this is a precise single bet.
EDIT: You're spot on about opening a position being a sort of cost too, due to missing out on risk-free returns. This is especially important for hedging. Less so for a directional bet.
> Or you could end up getting margin called
Completely false
Buying puts is a short position and does not require any further maintenance costs
Yes, theta decay is a thing but stating you can get margin called or there is any level of maintenance required is completely wrong and shows a total lack of understanding of the very basics of options
Now, now. Palantir received social security from In-Q-Tel during its incubation. Alan Wade was the CIO of the CIA and had previously founded Chiliad with Christine Maxwell (sister of that Maxwell).
On the other hand, Karp knows Lutnick (who lived next to Epstein) from Haverford College. It's a small world. So with this administration bets against Palantir might be risky.
But "the most important software company in America"? Please, many here have said that it started out as a database search company (like Chiliad).
“I love the idea of getting a drone and having light fentanyl-laced urine spraying on analysts that tried to screw us,” he said during a talk in New York to promote his new book in February."
https://www.ft.com/content/64a2345e-3961-4d5d-ae04-82d933fa5...
> Scion bought roughly $187.6 million in puts on Nvidia and $912 million in puts on Palantir, according to Securities and Exchange Commission filings.
But 13F reports the market value of the underlying shares for options, not the premium paid for the options
All we know is at time of filing he has 10k NVDA puts and 50k PLTR puts. We don't know the strike price or the duration or how much he paid
Except it's literally what determines how much money is at risk in the trade. If you buy puts the actual underlying asset value doesn't matter as much as the value of the option itself (which is based on several factors such as time, strike price, etc)
How so?
If I buy TSLA puts at a $10 strike or a $500 strike they show up the exact same on the 13F as both have to be reported as if they are delta 1 when showing a share count.
One is a very meaningful bet and one is throwing money away.
Heuristics That Almost Always Work have a helpful hint right there in the name. They do work, and they do it almost every time. And depending on the topic that 99.99% may be even 100%, but we just can't reliably prove it. Stuff that works 99.99% of the time is very valuable and helps humans free resources and time for the less reliable or more severe problems. Or just for leisure. Personally, I invite author to go disprove every single idea on the internet and do it in careful and deep detail, let's see how long he would last without heuristics. :)
They think hard about how to collect and make use of, what most would describe as, grains of sand.
A common use case for their data is figuring out for a government who they should kill that week.
This is a horrendously inefficient system. 90,000? 400,000? In a population of 16 million? The expense! The time! The sensitivity to data irregularities! The friction which the non-dissidents must feel! This is a worse imposition than an occupying army. How many of those 250,000 were actually conspiring against the state in a meaningfully threatening way? 1/10th? 1/100th? How many actual dissidents make it through the sieve, because the security service was unable to cross-reference suspicious entries on three pages in files occupying different filing cabinets in different buildings in the complex?
The US, despite its military might, rapidly hit a manpower limit in the occupation of Afghanistan & Iraq, and was largely unable to effectively fight a collection of counterinsurgencies and "sympathizers".
In the 2020's we have much greater capability to surveil. We have electronics tracking everything, we have phones that listen all the time, we have cameras at every streetcorner, data brokers know more about us than our diary does. But manually checking these things in untargeted surveillance would be almost impossible. It would take our entire population spying on ourselves.
Enter Palantir. Proposition: "We would like to explore if we could make this possible & efficient, using modern database & machine learning techniques. We will collect, categorize, transcribe and cross-reference all the data, of every type, we will generate suspicious activity reports autonomously, we will make follow-up trivial".
This was literally George Orwell's nightmare in 1984 - that looking back at the long history of repression and rebellion, the cycle of violence and freedom, of authority and abuse of authority, that perhaps at some point, eventually, technology gives so much power to the authority that it's simply impossible to overthrow them.
Some outlets then took this and wrote the story that Burry has a short bet of billions on NVIDA and Palentir.
His put's are most likely well out of the money so their delta is no where near 1 so his bet is far smaller than places are reporting just due to how the SEC requries funds to report their holdings on 13F filings.
Everyone who tried to compete failed hard because no one has the money, and raw talent or ability to get that talent needed to beat Nvidia at the software game.
To suggest Nvidia will have the game to themselves for another 10 years might turn out to be wrong, but it isn't naive. You are the naive one here.
I met a traveller from an antique land, // Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone // Stand in the desert…
I like to think about it this way: Absent growth, had a private investor purchased the business at 486x earnings, it would have taken the investor 486 years to recoup the investment.
Only crazy-fast future growth could justify that multiple.
I estimate earnings/share would have to grow 30-fold within a foreseeable time frame, like 5-7 years, to justify the peak price per share.[a]
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[a] Back-of-the-envelope math: 486x peak / 15x long-term average P/E = 32-fold increase to justify valuation. I rounded it to 30-fold.
You have to look at the cost structure now v what it should be in a "steady state" situation, perhaps 10 years out.
Which is wrong.
guywithahat•1h ago
That said I'm not convinced with these famous investors. I worry the big short kind of broke his brain, he's obsessed with these landfall cases now and I'm not sure they're really going to pan out. His last big one was water and I can't imagine he's doing much better than just farmers renting the land he owns.
furyg3•1h ago
Actually turning a bubble into money is another question entirely, however, especially since he himself popularized shouting the emperor has no clothes at every turn. When the market will believe someone is a different story.
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mamonster•54m ago
With Burry I think the redeeming part is that he is mostly, AFAIK, running his own capital since that time so there's no point criticizing him for his weird picks.
Paulson spent the last decade burning investor capital using the reputation, good for him I guess.
Eisman didn't do so well the last decade either, but at least his Youtube / podcast is light years ahead of the garbage that rich VCs are doing in terms of education.