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Ironclad – formally verified, real-time capable, Unix-like OS kernel

https://ironclad-os.org/
73•vitalnodo•2h ago

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joshuakelly•1h ago
Building new operating systems seems so ambitious to me. Radiant Computer (https://radiant.computer/) was also recently posted.

What other exciting projects like these exist?

ivanjermakov•1h ago
https://serenityos.org/
sharts•1h ago
This looks perfect. Just wonder how the hardware /software support goes
attila-lendvai•1h ago
it seems to be little more than a mission statement... no?
lifty•22m ago
https://asterinas.github.io/ (Linux compatible Kernel) and https://redox-os.org/ are two promising ones.
notepad0x90•1h ago
There is an NDA related company called ironclad as well. Beware the trademark/copyright terrorists.

That said, I am huge fan of works like this. But in practice, the security layer that betrays all of this tends to be the firmware layer.

My dream is to have something like the Framework computer use verifiably secure EFI firmware, as well as similarly verified and audited firmware for every hardware component.

F3nd0•15m ago
You might want to check out MNT Research if you haven’t yet. They make repairable laptops, too, but they also release their work as free software and open hardware.

https://mnt.re/

indolering•2m ago
You need a different kernel for firmware verification. But it should be regulated at this point.
AlotOfReading•1h ago
Interesting project. I'm curious about the limits of formal verification of worst case execution time. There are other formally verified kernels like seL4 and atmosphere, as well as layers you can stack on top to get a mostly compatible posix-ish layer like genode. You can also go out and find completely compatible kernels with enough maturity that (full) formal verification isn't a major value-add, like QNX or VxWorks.

I'm not aware of much that combines WCET + formal verification + POSIX compatibility though. The verification page here is mostly at stone level, which from my understanding of SPARK terminology just means it passes validation, but might have runtime errors where most of Ada's WCET nondeterminism comes from. I'm skeptical that this is actually production usable for the hard real-time use cases all over their documentation at the current stage, but nothing on the website gives any clue as to the actual maturity short of reading the code myself.

indolering•10m ago
Any government can get RCE on any OS with the change in their couch. Formal verification of process isolation is REALLY important when lives depend on it. That's a huge value add!

My main concern is speed and the lack of capability based security. seL4 is faster than Linux by a mile and I'm guessing that this is much slower. You can put a POSIX layer on seL4 but POSIX is inherently flawed too. MAC separates privileges from code and is too clunky to use in practice (see seLinux).

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