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1•nico•4m ago•0 comments

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Guests ejected mid-stay from bankrupt hotel chain Sonder

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c364yg7g351o
56•onemoresoop•1h ago

Comments

CSMastermind•1h ago
Why wouldn't they just let people finish out their stay?

Sending an email to people saying you need to leave by noon seems crazy.

jahnu•1h ago
Legal requirements to provide food, services, security that suppliers will no longer provide. Not to mention staff.
Waterluvian•1h ago
Also insurance, maybe?
fukka42•26m ago
What about their legal requirement to deliver what was paid for?
nradov•19m ago
In most cases hotel guests aren't prepaid. There will usually be a credit card hold but the guest hasn't actually paid yet. Innkeepers generally have the legal right to refuse service for (almost) any reason and simply not charge the guest for any additional nights.
colonwqbang•6m ago
The company is bankrupt. It means they can't/won't/didn't honour their promises.
pessimizer•54m ago
The "hotel" they booked with has ceased to exist. They're just creditors now.
Ninjak8051•36m ago
Let's say you own and operate a small independent hotel, some techies from San Francisco offer to perma-book every room for the next three years solid for some fraction of your normal room rate. You keep operating your hotel, the techies send you regular guests (and handle all payments), and at the end of the month you get the same guaranteed income whether business was bad or good.

All goes well for a while but the techies start slipping on payments. First it's a few days, but sometimes they miss by a few weeks, so you schedule a call with the VP to straighten things out. Eventually they get a few months behind, you're fed up and demand immediate payment or you will stop lodging their guests (who have paid the techies, but somehow the money has not made it to you). CEO calls to straighten things out, promises to wire the money by Friday, just please please please don't evict any guests. You agree, but Friday comes and goes with crickets, and on Saturday morning you kick everyone out.

fukka42•25m ago
Good way to trash your reputation.

Just stop accepting new guests and work things out with the techies.

wbl•15m ago
What reputation? These people don't know you.
Ninjak8051•14m ago
The techies are insolvent but not yet bankrupt. They have been running their business off accounts receivable (which rightfully belong to you) for months. There is no way to work things out, the money isn't there. You have been hosting their guests and you will get back pennies on the dollars you are owed, years later. Time to pull the plug.
michaelt•7m ago
If you've had Silicon Valley techies book all your rooms for several years, and it's their logo on the side of the building, and all your customers have booked with them? You don't have a reputation.
moralestapia•1h ago
There has to be laws protecting guests against this.

I would be extremely surprised if hotels can just do this with no consequences, even if you somehow signed into it on their T&C.

ozim•1h ago
How would it work if hotels are bankrupt?

what consequences can you put on a bankrupt company?

I guess that guests might have claims for not used part of the stay but that’s going to be handled by bankruptcy process and there are rules who get money back in which order I guess employees get their paychecks first or something.

dwattttt•57m ago
A solution would be to require hotels to carry insurance for this event.
ianferrel•8m ago
What if the company that is about to go bankrupt fails to pay its insurance premiums? Seems fairly likely to happen. About-to-be-bankrupt companies generally get behind on all their bills.
onraglanroad•55m ago
How would it work? If any of the management knew the bankruptcy was pending and were still allowing bookings, they are personally responsible for the costs.

If they can't afford it, they face prison time.

I bet that would fix the issue damn quickly.

ChrisMarshallNY•48m ago
There are soooo many issues that would be fixed by holding the C-Suite (and maybe even the Board and/or shareholders) personally responsible.

Won't happen in this timeline, though.

SoftTalker•43m ago
That would kind of destroy the whole rationale for corporations to exist.
viraptor•26m ago
Sounds good? I mean, we tried the whole corporation without responsibility for quite a while. It doesn't seem to work very well and especially on HN there's at least one post reminding us of that every day.
tbrownaw•11m ago
Isn't that just because the successes are invisible?
SoftTalker•46m ago
Prison doesn't fix every issue. It fixes very few of them actually, except the public's demand for punishment.

Personal financial liability would probably be more effective.

embedding-shape•48m ago
> How would it work if hotels are bankrupt? what consequences can you put on a bankrupt company?

Force them sign a special type of insurance, or something else where other companies can temporarily pick up the pieces until the current stays are over. Make the company pay into a fund to pay for that before they get their license to operate the hotel, and make it a legal requirement that the fund needs to be able to cover all the currently active stays for N days. Consequences can be put on the people who run the company, that if they don't fulfill their legal duties they get fines or even prison.

Of course, this is just me brainstorming ideas in two minutes, I'm sure with a proper legal system and actual professionals they could work something out to protect guests and works better than "Sorry, we're bankrupt, you need to leave in one hour or sooner".

pkaye•45m ago
From what I can lookup in the US the order it is:

1. Secure creditors (like liens on specific assets)

2. Administrative expensive post bankruptcy

3. Priority unsecured claims like employee wages

4. General unsecured creditors like suppliers and customers

5. Shareholders

I think customers who paid by credit card or have travel insurance might be able to make a faster claim with those as the legal process is slow especially since it involves multiple countries where they do business.

SoftTalker•41m ago
Some credit cards that cater to travelers might actually have that benefit. Would be worth checking if you travel a lot and like to stay at quirky boutique hotels that might turn out to be insolvent.
nradov•11m ago
I don't know the details of this particular case but generally most guests who reserved their stay using a credit card wouldn't have actually paid anything yet. There is no insurance claim if they're not out any money. Most likely the appointed bankruptcy administrators will charge the evicted guests for the nights that they actually stayed in the hotels and cancel the rest of their reservations. The guests are legally obligated to pay for services already rendered, even if the customer service was terrible.
TrackerFF•55m ago
People should check their travel insurance, if it covers things like this. Travel insurance doesn't cost a lot, and comes with a ton of benefits.
thewebguyd•51m ago
Yeah, seems wild to me that the hotels can just straight up kick people out immediately like that. Why not let them finish out their stay? Like, it wouldn't have killed Marriott to just eat that cost and generate some goodwill and gain some potential future customers.

Are they really operating on such slim margins that it would have been a threat to their business/chains if they didn't immediately evict and re-book the room(s) out?

gruez•35m ago
>There has to be laws protecting guests against this.

If you paid by credit card, just start a chargeback?

syncsynchalt•15m ago
I'm not sure they mean financially, I think they mean protection from being made unexpectedly homeless. There are an array of tenancy laws to prevent this from happening, but they don't seem to cover bankruptcy of hotels.
650•1h ago
Their CEO, Francis Davidson, Forbes 30 under 30. Strikes again.

Unicorn status (1 billion) in 2020, to bankrupt in 2025. Another Zero Interest Rate Phenomenon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonder_(company) https://www.linkedin.com/in/francisdavidson/

parpfish•1h ago
was this a case where a 1bil valuation in 2020 was increased because of covid (people wanted hotels that didn't require any human interaction) OR they were valued at 1bil pre-covid and covid killed their momentum when travel stopped?
projektfu•48m ago
They IPO'd in 2021 and were worth about 22 billion until Jan 2022. Then a precipitous fall to about 2.2 billion in 2023, 220 million in 2024, and now 22 million.
gruez•19m ago
>They IPO'd in 2021 and were worth about 22 billion until Jan 2022

No, they IPOed via a merger with SPAC in January 2022, and almost immediately the price of the company took a dip. 2021 was probably when the SPAC was founded/IPOed, and the relatively flat price prior to 2022 was because it was basically a pot of money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonder_(company)#History

ryandrake•1h ago
> Forbes 30 under 30

Really amazing how much of a reliable indicator this has become.

api•57m ago
Time Man of the Year is even worse. That’s like being led up a ladder into a big wicker man.
dabluecaboose•53m ago
TIME naming everyone Person of the Year in 2006 is really what started us down this twisted timeline
embedding-shape•40m ago
To be fair, Person of the Year is a prize that is more "This is a person who impacted the world", not necessarily "This is a good person that deserves praise". Both Stalin (twice!) and Hitler been Person of the Year.

Forbes 30 under 30 seems to be a bit more interesting for narcissists, as it really focuses on their "great achievements".

mirekrusin•1h ago
Dude ejected himself 4 mo ago to "work on something new"? Nice one.
jacquesm•39m ago
He's just hoping to be the next Altman.
luke5441•4m ago
You're thinking of Neumann, Altman will be in the same in the future, though. New equals old.
yieldcrv•57m ago
I was at some Forbes 30 under 30 party a couple years ago - as in, I started noticing a large number of guests were that - and I started offering myself up as a future character witness
nandomrumber•38m ago
Sounds like something Michael Malice might say. Or P.J. O’Rourke.

If you haven’t heard of him, check him out in his podcast ‘Your Welcome’, spelling intentional.

jacquesm•40m ago
That's such a red flag by now. That and a Softbank investment. And I'm not sure which is worse.
balamatom•59m ago
Now you're experiencing https://www.thedictionaryofobscuresorrows.com/concept/sonder!
ChrisMarshallNY•46m ago
Cool link!

Reminds me of this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Ye8fBEkcc

ryandv•24m ago
Nice track.
ryandv•59m ago
> founded in Montreal, Canada

Shameful. Given the choice between integrity and money, it seems they chose money.

malexw•44m ago
What does being founded in Montreal have to do with integrity?
ryandv•41m ago
You're right - nothing at all, I suppose.
gip•56m ago
I was staying in a apartment in London a long time ago and a Sunday(!) bailiffs came and kicked everyone in the building out in 3 hours. The reason was that the rent hadn't been paid to the building owner by the management company. Most people just left and lost the rent they had paid. These things happen and there are no protection for tenants unfortunately.
SoftTalker•49m ago
And there was no prior warning? That seems unreasonable but maybe it happened that way.
vkou•36m ago
This is unreasonable. In any just society, the bailiffs would be slapping cuffs on the owners of the management company, while the tenants would get notice.

You can't throw someone out of their home without notice because you have a business dispute with some third party.

gruez•28m ago
>In any just society, the bailiffs would be slapping cuffs on the owners of the management company, while the tenants would get notice.

...for leasing to a hotel chain that later went bankrupt?

>You can't throw someone out of their home without notice because you have a business dispute with some third party.

It's a hotel. Hotels typically have less tenant rights than long-term accommodations.

Electricniko•43m ago
The UK government just enacted a law last week that gives tenants in England a lot more protection against that kind of thing.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guide-to-the-rent...

krisoft•55m ago
Sonder is the noun for the realization that each random person you see has a life as vivid and complex as your own.

I guess the company lived up to its name by reminding every guest that the company itself has(had?) a “life” as complex and eventfull as the guest’s own.

Animats•54m ago
The specific Sonder hotel mentioned in the article is still listed on the Mariott web site.[1]

"A stay you can count on. Experience travel without the guesswork. While every space is unique, you can always count on the Sonder Standard. All stays feature designer details, keyless entry, fast free WiFi and our 24/7 digital concierge."

Trying to make a reservation returns "Your session timed out, but you can start a new hotel search below."

This badly hurts Mariott's brand. Their page reads as if they stand behind Sonder. Marriott supposedly has about 30 brands, and now you have to ask which of them are fake fronts.

[1] https://www.marriott.com/en-us/hotels/nycho-the-merchant-hot...

lotsofpulp•48m ago
Incredible, given the hurdles Marriott asks franchisors to jump through.
vkou•38m ago
A good franchise will bring in X million in profits and a bad one will bring in XYZ million in reputational damage.

A good unicorn will bring in XYZ billion[1] in profits and a bad one will bring in XYZ million in reputational damage.

Which is exactly why franchise operators get put through the wringer, while 'pod hotel but with an app' startups get the red carpet treatment.

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[1] Yes, I know that is bullshit, but I'm not an exec, I don't get paid to be wildly optimistic.

MattGaiser•40m ago
I get a big red popup saying that Sonder is no longer affiliated with Marriott?
Animats•24m ago
Not getting that here, but some images are returning 404 errors. Somewhere, someone is probably trying to scrub the Mariott site manually.
aurumque•9m ago
Having been affected by this personally, I don't think Marriott cares about their brand at this point as they have achieved relative monopoly status. There are plenty of other horrible things they've accomplished in the last few years besides this. It makes me want to watch out for CitizenM similarly, because it's increasingly unclear what Marriott's actual role in your stay even is anymore.
colechristensen•8m ago
I have stayed at a bunch of hotels in the last six months and come to the conclusion that price, brand, and reviews have no relation at all with quality.
robofanatic•53m ago
apparently guests were literally fired that day.
jen729w•45m ago
Terrible look for Marriott. We've been considering joining either Bonvoy or HHonors and discussing the merits of either chain. Mostly just for something to talk about, as we're too poor to stay at either for significant amounts of time, but nevertheless.

Marriott took the route of spreading out their brands. Sheraton, oh that's Marriott? I see. Westin? Huh. Le Méridien, never heard of … oh, Marriott.

Whereas Hilton seem proud enough to stick their name in a thing, even if it's a trailing '…by Hilton'. I wonder how this affects, say, bringing in a new brand.

'Sonder': anonymous. Never heard of it, until now. Gives Marriott some distance. Goes to hell? Cut it. How hard do you really need to try to onboard that brand?

'Sonder by Hilton': I know who owns that. I know which brand to blame when it goes to crap. Directly affects the core offering.

I just made up my mind whose scheme I'm joining.

lotsofpulp•42m ago
Hotel standards have gone way down since covid. Hilton or Marriott don’t mean as much, and recent reviews from a source you trust are about as good as it gets for predicting quality.
jen729w•26m ago
‘A source you trust’ no longer including any of the major booking sites, alas.

You know what we do now? We get the Lonely Planet.

mandevil•14m ago
My experience with LP is that they went way down in quality after Red Ventures (who own CNET, Bankrate.com etc.) bought them in 2020. I stopped trusting them completely after the CNET AI scandal- wikipedia no longer considers CNET to be a reliable source, and I'm not sure why I should trust LP either.

It turns out that living in a high trust environment is a lot better than living in a low trust environment, but if we're going to be living in a low trust environment, better to understand it than to pretend we can still act like it's still high trust.

HeinzStuckeIt•8m ago
If you still do guidebooks, it’s baffling that you get the Lonely Planet. After all, already in the early millennium there were magazine investigative pieces and tell-all books by former LP writers that the publisher was not actually researching everything on the ground, but was just putting together things found on the internet or making stuff up. I see that there are accusations that recent guides rely on AI generation.

What got LP flack years now has now spread to other guidebook publishers with little furor. I looked at a Rough Guide recently that had all the tell-tale signs that the publisher no longer considers fact-checking and quality control necessary steps. I do like a good guidebook, but in English that means only Bradt these days for its combination of abundant historical context and local knowledge, since so many of its guides are written by people who have been resident in the country for many years and often have an areal-studies background.

selectodude•31m ago
You can always just join both. It’s not an either/or.
jen729w•25m ago
Well yeah but this was a hypothetical about which one you’d actually use. Far better to pick a horse when it comes to earning loyalty status.
toyg•21m ago
> Le Méridien, never heard of

Big in North Africa and generally around the Med. Ownership changed quite a few times, I didn't know it ended up in Marriott.

patall•39m ago
Fun fact: Swedish 'sönder' (with umlaut) means 'broken'
razingeden•36m ago
this is why i read this site
syncsynchalt•17m ago
We have the same word in English, as "sunder" (sundered).
pjdesno•35m ago
Bankruptcy can be a bitch.

I remember a case (maybe 30 years ago?) where a local health club chain went bankrupt, and anything anyone had left in their lockers was stuck there until the judge ruled on the case.

pjdesno•33m ago
Here's the case - a judge froze the company's assets, which meant that if you had any of your personal property on the premises, you were SOL.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1991/03/28/Court-freezes-assets...

gruez•13m ago
> Superior Court Judge Barbara Rouse entered a temporary restraining order, forbidding Estridge and his eight Joy of Movement corporations from selling any assets or real estate. On Thursday, Judge Elbert Tuttle also placed liens on real estate and bank accounts belonging to Estridge and his companies.

But your stuff in the gym's locker aren't the gym's "assets"? Same if you parked your car in some bankrupt hotel's parking lot. Just because it's on some bankrupt company's property, doesn't mean your car is up for grabs by creditors.

The only trouble is that the building probably does count as the gym's assets, so even though your stuff isn't technically frozen, you can't really go in to get your stuff. But if for whatever reason you could (eg. breaking in?), you'd be in the clear to grab your stuff.

bilbo0s•29m ago
>She said there was a sharp decline in revenue "arising from Sonder's participation in Marriott's Bonvoy reservation system".

This will be an interesting case study to piece together. What were the factors that lead revenue to go down on expansion of your marketing and access reach?

I have my own suspicions, but the backstory with this is probably way crazier than I'm even thinking. Like, "Why would anyone ever sign that?" level crazy.