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Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

https://adguard-dns.io/en/blog/archive-today-adguard-dns-block-demand.html
124•immibis•1h ago

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atomicfiredoll•28m ago
I don't know anything about Adguard, but good on the team for doing the extra digging instead of just going along with the claim. Even better that they're sharing what they've found with everyone else.
hirako2000•26m ago
Yes kudo. The pressure could simply be inferred as due to the arrogant trend one can observe, the editing of history.
nikanj•24m ago
archive.is is frequently used to bypass paywalls, I wonder if this is motivated by that somehow
mattmaroon•7m ago
100%. It's like Lenin said, you look for the person who will benefit… and, uh, uh, you know… You know, you'll uh, uh—well, you know what I'm trying to say…
pogue•6m ago
That's most likely the reason pressure is being put on them. Big media companies successfully shutdown 12ft.io, which was used to bypass paywalls, and forced the BPC (Bypass Paywalls Chrome) browser extension off the Mozilla Extension store, then Gitlab, then Github. Now the dev is hosting it on a Russian Github clone, presumably making it untouchable.

Since archive[.]today is using some very obscure hosting methods with multiple international mirrors, it makes it incredibly difficult for law enforcement to go after.

supriyo-biswas•22m ago
Its interesting that being unable to find a legal route to dig up dirt on archive.is, they're going the route of CSAM allegations.

I first heard of this technique on a discussion on Lowendtalk from a hoster discussing how pressure campaigns were orchestrated.

The host used to host VMs for a customer that was not well liked but otherwise within the bounds of free speech in the US (I guess something on the order of KF/SaSu/SF), so a given user would upload CSAM on the forum, then report the same CSAM to the hoster. They used to use the same IP address for their entire operation. When the host and the customer compared notes, they'd find about these details.

Honestly at the time I thought the story was bunk, in the age of residential proxies and VPNs and whatnot, surely whoever did this wouldn't just upload said CSAM from their own IP, but one possible explanation would be that the forum probably just blocked datacenter IPs wholesale and the person orchestrating the campaign wasn't willing to risk the legal fallout of uploading CSAM out of some regular citizen's infected device.

In this case, I assume law enforcement just sets up a website with said CSAM, gets archive.is to crawl it, and then pressurize DNS providers about it.

HeckFeck•13m ago
> I assume law enforcement just sets up a website with said CSAM

Sentences like this make me sincerely believe that not everyone has a soul.

hsbauauvhabzb•5m ago
Cocaine is a hell of a drug
mattmaroon•9m ago
I doubt they’d have to. If the site truly doesn’t remove CSAM I’ve no doubt plenty of it would end up there organically. You wouldn’t have to upload any anywhere, you’d only need to know some URLs to look for which presumably any major law enforcement agency would.
cornholio•6m ago
It's unlikely law enforcement would take the risk to handle CSAM just to make a case against a Russian pirate, jeopardizing their careers and freedom, when the copyright case is pretty strong already.

These are the doings of one of the myriad freelance "intelectual rights enforcement agents", which are paid on success and employed by some large media organization. Another possibility is that a single aggrieved individual who found themselves doxed or their criminal conviction archived etc. took action after failing to enforce their so called "right to be forgotten".

Unfortunately, archive.is operating model is uniquely vulnerable to such false flag attacks.

master_crab•21m ago
This just shows that LCEN, DMCA, etc are poorly crafted laws. They ineffectually stop the abuse they claim to end (like copyright infringement). But it does allow large organizations a cudgel to protect their own IP.
nkrisc•18m ago
I think they’re well created laws because I think that’s their intended purpose.
marcosscriven•17m ago
The wording in that follow-up email is so emotive it reads more like a Tweet than formal contact from a federal organisation.

That in itself is quite shocking really.

xbmcuser•15m ago
I speculate, and the conspiracy theorist in me believes, something of a compromising nature has been archived and they want that data inaccessible, but at the same time, pointing out what they want hidden would shine a light on it.

It is even more interesting the US government is coming after archive.today at the same time, or maybe that is just a coincidence, and this is just a tech-savvy philanderer trying to hide something from his wife.

lsihgsligh99•9m ago
If we're speculating, there is another reason to censor archiving site - if you recently committed well documented genocide and want the evidence erased. Given the systematic removal of such content from social media, it would not be surprising if this was related.
demarq•5m ago
Finally someone does some digging
orbital-decay•1m ago
The FBI investigation might be a coincidence. Archive.today is attacked with CSAM uploads+reports all the time, you can find mentions of this in their blog from 3 and 9 years ago, and I bet there was a ton of this in between.

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