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Oracle is underwater on its 'astonishing' $300B OpenAI deal

https://www.ft.com/content/064bbca0-1cb2-45ab-85f4-25fdfc318d89
108•busymom0•1h ago

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esafak•1h ago
https://archive.is/Qdf2n
xtoilette•48m ago
Time to short major stocks?
haberdasher•43m ago
You're 2 weeks late.
ekjhgkejhgk•40m ago
LOL the drop from 2 weeks ago is about 4%.
whattheheckheck•31m ago
Let it ride
LunaSea•28m ago
-20% in the last month
btbuildem•30m ago
Time to put your RRSP / 401k in cash, it's all starting to seriously teeter.
Analemma_•22m ago
Maybe, but not Oracle. Oracle is friends with the regime: Larry Ellison's kid runs TikTok and has promised to use it to push more conservative content. They'll get bailed out.
harshalizee•47m ago
Oracle is the one to look out for if/when the bubble bursts. Most of the big tech will be fine, albeit hurting for a while. For Oracle, this might be existential.
symfoniq•46m ago
So you’re saying there’s an upside?
marcosdumay•33m ago
Maybe the entire purpose of OpenAI was to suck all the inflation the US government created on the last decade and burn it out in a huge bonfire at the end of its life.

Sam Altman has been playing 6-D chess this entire time, and we thought he was just a fraudster.

ramesh31•25m ago
>Maybe the entire purpose of OpenAI was to suck all the inflation the US government created on the last decade and burn it out in a huge bonfire at the end of its life.

This has seriously crossed my mind as well. Like we've reached an endgame here where big tech has now found a way to literally burn off trillions of dollars into waste heat.

matsz•39m ago
Finally, been waiting for this moment since I've learned about Oracle. Would be well-deserved for them. Hope Larry Ellison loses his yacht.
water-data-dude•32m ago
But there would be other consequences too, just consider the philanthropic organizations that Larry Ellison supports! Like the Ellison Medical Foundation, a non profit whose sole purpose is to keep Larry Ellison alive as long as possible!
kstrauser•20m ago
> to keep Larry Ellison alive

This is called “begging the question”. I need some evidence that Ellison is not an undead.

lifestyleguru•15m ago
That dude literally launched medical foundation for his personal healthcare.
hypeatei•17m ago
These people are in the class that never fails. Ellison won't lose anything.
matsz•3m ago
One can dream.
jandrese•30m ago
Don't they still sell a database product? As long as they don't do the Venture Capital thing and sell off the most promising business units there should still be something for the company to do after the AI bubble implodes. Certainly there will be a lot of layoffs, and maybe even a chapter 13, but I don't think they'll stop existing.
blibble•20m ago
unfortunately their database continues to print money from trapped customers

the "AI" is just an attempt to pump the stock price

OpenAI though can't survive as there's no business at all to fall back on

lifestyleguru•14m ago
Oh god, that'd be finally some good news in this recent brutal and sad time period.
James_K•45m ago
Whoda thought that agreeing to build $300 billion of infrastructure for a company with $20 billion revenue and zero profit was a bad idea?
drivebyhooting•44m ago
It’s looking like Google may outdo OpenAI.

ChatGPT has brand recognition and adoption, but not the best product anymore.

bhouston•34m ago
> ChatGPT has brand recognition and adoption, but not the best product anymore.

Companies with worse products win all the time based on brand and adoption. So it isn't clear to me at all that Google can win.

imglorp•26m ago
But what does win mean here? It's commoditized at this point, everyone's got options, and it's easy to swap models. This means the user share will be spread out among the different offerings. There's no winner take all scenario.
Bricejm•29m ago
Google also has $100 billion in profit each year from it's core business to wait out OpenAI.
LunaSea•27m ago
And the search engine and crawler actually powering these LLMs
Razengan•12m ago
How is that not a conflict of interest by the way, when Google's AI search results prevent the websites it trained on from getting clicks?
YetAnotherNick•25m ago
If you remove AGI dream from the equation, AI revenues couldn't come close everpresent ads on the internet which Google has monopoly over, and LLM directly affects Google core business.

Also Google doesn't have great business reputation for sticking to their APIs, so they need to be lot better than open model always, which it is now but my guess would be it wouldn't be for long.

keiferski•19m ago
Unless I’m missing something, Google doesn’t really have the “chat journal” aspect that ChatGPT has. It’s just a search engine.

For me personally this is a major feature.

esafak•16m ago
What's a chat journal besides a history, which Gemini has?
spankalee•15m ago
https://gemini.google.com/
ElectricalUnion•5m ago
NotebookLM?
lateforwork•6m ago
What is the cost of delivering regular search results vs. answering an AI chat question? How do you sell ads through each of these channels?

If you consider those angles you'll see that Google does not want AI chat to replace Google search any time soon. Google is being dragged into this kicking and screaming. They are damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

iammjm•43m ago
How is this even rational that companies "invest" billions of dollars that they dont even have? capitalism ad2025 is a joke
marcosdumay•35m ago
> billions of dollars that they dont even have

Companies don't ever "have" things, they are themselves things that people have. There isn't a fundamental difference between taking a loan smaller than their total capitalization or spend some money they have liquid at the bank. It's both taking money from the shareholders and spending on something.

That said, yes that investment is stupid and deserves quotes around the word. But making risky investments when the company is operating in the red isn't stupid at all... it's just that this one isn't risky, it's certainly bad.

Am4TIfIsER0ppos•16m ago
Wait until you discover that the bank doesn't have those dollars in your account.
throwacct•34m ago
so, these companies are playing hot potato and this is oracle holding it.
reactordev•26m ago
I so desperately want to make a snide comment about foreseeing the future but the reality is the CapX is so muddied that I’m afraid everyone is going to feel it.
TheAlchemist•15m ago
One must love the projections of >50% YOY growth for 5 straight years.

Why not continue for the next 5 ? Maybe they will find customers on Mars.

This while situation is very strange - there are some big companies pouring tens of billions into it (Alphabet, Meta) - since they don't have anything better to do with the money printers they have, but there are several others whose valuations are based on completely unrealistic projections where their expected revenues in 5-10 years represent 99% of their current 'value'.

prewett•9m ago
Traditionally one is supposed to return money you don’t have anything better to do with to shareholders in dividends, but that is sadly out of fashion with tech companies.
brainwad•4m ago
Alphabet at least returns capital via huge buybacks that effectively act as dividends, but with more tax efficiency.
lotsofpulp•3m ago
Why would it be in fashion? If you want the money, then sell your shares and don't cause a taxable event for everyone else.
andrenotgiant•11m ago
FT uses "underwater" because the deal was $300 Billion and the stock has lost $315 Billion in market cap since the deal. That's a bit of a stretch, but the rest of the article is very good.
chrisgd•7m ago
The market (over)reacted to the OpenAi announcement sending Oracle’s share price up and now may be overreacting to Altman’s interview with an investor pushing their stock price down. And we are measuring (what seems like) a non-binding investment against market cap which swings everyday.
lateforwork•5m ago
Oracle has no IP in this deal. All they are doing is unpacking Nvidia servers, plugging it in, and keeping them cool. They get 15% markup for this.

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