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Exploring the Limits of Large Language Models as Quant Traders

https://nof1.ai/blog/TechPost1
21•rzk•1h ago

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kqr•21m ago
Super interesting! You can click the "live" link in the header to see how they performed over time. The (geometric) average result at the end seems to be that the LLMs are down 35 % from their initial capital – and they got there in just 96 model-days. That's a daily return of -0.6 %, or a yearly return of -81 %, i.e. practically wiping out the starting capital.

Although I lack the maths to determine it numerically (depends on volatility etc.), it looks to me as though all six are overbetting and would be ruined in the long run. It would have been interesting to compare against a constant fraction portfolio that maintains 1/6 in each asset, as closely as possible while optimising for fees.

> difficulty executing against self-authored plans as state evolves

This is indeed also what I've found trying to make LLMs play text adventures. Even when given a fair bit of help in the prompt, they lose track of the overall goal and find some niche corner to explore very patiently, but ultimately fruitlessly.

XenophileJKO•14m ago
I don't think betting on crypto is really playing to the strengths of the models. I think giving news feeds and setting it on some section of the S&P 500 would be a better evaluation.
jwpapi•12m ago
Isn’t that what Renaissance Technology does?
ezekiel68•10m ago
You don't actually need nanosecond latency to trade effectively in futures markets but it does help to be able to evaluate and make decisions in the single-digit milliseconds range. Almost no generative model is able to perform inference at this latency threshold.

A threshold in the single-digit milliseconds range allows the rapid detection of price reversals (signaling the need to exit a position with least loss) in even the most liquid of real futures contracts (not counting rare "flash crash" events).

bluecalm•6m ago
>>LLMs are achieving technical mastery in problem-solving domains on the order of Chess and Go, solving algorithmic puzzles and math proofs competitively in contests such as the ICPC and IMO.

I don't think LLMs are anywhere close to "mastery" in chess or go. Maybe a nitpick but the point is that a NN created to be good at trading is likely to outperform LLMs at this task the same way way NNs created specifically to be good at board games vastly outperform LLMs at those games.

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