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Tesla Robotaxi had 3 more crashes, now 7 total

https://electrek.co/2025/11/17/tesla-robotaxi-had-3-more-crashes-now-7-total/
38•juujian•1h ago

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elsjaako•30m ago
I had a discussion with a colleague today. He claimed Tesla had Full Self Driving, and had for years, and they were the first. That's the message some folks believe.

I look forward to telling him about this.

temperceve•17m ago
I've never understood why some people insist that FSD means there can never ever be any crashes of any kind, otherwise it obiviously just doesn't work.
pu_pe•13m ago
It needs human operators and still crashes 2x more than their competitor. And they have been calling it FSD for years now.
thatwasunusual•29m ago
> humans generally have a crash, whether they are at fault or not, every 700,000 miles. Tesla has 7 in probably ~300,000 miles

This is the important part.

poszlem•25m ago
Exactly. I can accept those cars not being perfect, but I can’t accept them performing worse than human drivers.
lnsru•18m ago
But humans are operating under the conditions not feasible for those cars. There is winter start in Germany with rain turning to snow and blizzard with poor visibility plus ice on the road. Humans still drive, vision only system will fail in first minute.
poszlem•8m ago
And that changes what I said in what way? If cars aren't as safe as people (including in those conditions), they shouldn't drive. But once they match us, waiting for them to be perfect is a waste of time.
hack_edu•18m ago
Human drivers that are at fault face repercussions that affect the rest of their lives. Robot drivers that are at fault face repercussions of a minuscule fine and a "sorry... again" press release.
luke5441•15m ago
And that is with professional safety drivers. Give humans a professional safety co-pilot and compare numbers with that...
ants_everywhere•29m ago
It seems like they should add lidar or radar.

What is the argument for deliberately impoverishing the Tesla sensory input?

cj•23m ago
There was a time when saying this on HN would have gotten you downvoted into oblivion. People felt extremely strongly that everything should be possible with cameras.

I wonder if that sentiment is changing.

ants_everywhere•14m ago
Even if one believes everything should be possible with cameras, the goal posts are moving. Other automated vehicles use radar or lidar. Even if Tesla achieves fatality levels comparable with human drivers, other vehicles will outperform them. There's not going to be a great market for the most fatal automatic vehicle. It makes more sense to chase state of the art rather than the state of the median human.
steveBK123•14m ago
And Tesla pumps don't even realize how poor the camera specs are on Tesla's for their "we don't need lidar/radar, all we need is vision" strategy.

Front camera is sub-4K, the rest of the cameras are 1440p.. all of which are processed at 24fps. We are talking 10 year old iPhone specs here.

robotswantdata•25m ago
How many crashes per human Uber mile?
atwrk•22m ago
How many crashes per mile for Waymo etc. would be the more interesting metric - if the competition has better numbers there is no excuse for risking people's safety with inferior tech
input_sh•13m ago
Last sentence in the article.
lnsru•22m ago
I really don’t envy the supervisor’s job. Sitting there bored to death for weeks and waiting accident to happen. And when it happens you’re too bored and too tired to engage in timely manner.

On the other hand… the not paid version of cruise control continuously fails in my two years old model Y. Realistically looking it’s to early to fantasize about robitaxis when simple phantom braking problem is not solved yet.

steveBK123•17m ago
Phantom braking has been a huge issue since at least 2017, constant whack a mole release to release, really nuked my confidence in the product over time.
ants_everywhere•20m ago
If Tesla's robotaxis develop a reputation for accidents, they'll create an unpredictable traffic bubble around them.

Some people will slow down to minimize the fatality of an impact and to increase reaction time (similar to people slowing down around a marked cop car). Others will speed up to ensure they don't get stuck behind or around one.

That happens with other unsafe vehicles (e.g. a truck that doesn't have its load well secured). But it makes me wonder what will happen if Tesla trains on the data of erratic driving created by its presence.

boudin•38s ago
I'm doing this with Tesla's on the road already. When I see one i'm extra-cautious.

This company is so shaddy around all the driving assistance and FSD issues that i have 0 trust and will not until it is thoroughly investigated. They are quite behind other manufacturers on simple stuff like line assistance and automated breaking already, they are going out of their way to make every reported incident sounding that others are to blame, it just looks bad from end to end.

Rushing those robotaxis is just trying to hide the fact that they are quite behind the competition on all those fronts.

lordnacho•19m ago
> Unlike other companies reporting to NHTSA, Tesla abuses the right to redact data reported through the system. The automaker redacts the “narrative” for each reported crash, preventing the public from knowing how the crashes happened and who is responsible.

This part seems pretty bad

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF•4m ago
> preventing the public from knowing

So just assume the information looks really bad for Tesla.

steveBK123•12m ago
Flagged in under 15 minutes, seems the fever has still not broken

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