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France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115584160910016309
101•gabrielgio•57m ago

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kridsdale1•41m ago
Wow, that guy in the thread attacking them is an asshole.
frenchie4111•34m ago
Does it read like AI slop to anybody else?
WJW•10m ago
Mostly just reads like a mentally ill person to me TBH. Don't see why you'd think it was AI.
dingdingdang•34m ago
Or simply.. drumroll.. THE STATE
LadyCailin•30m ago
Or maybe a pervert.
lovich•12m ago
He made a stronger claim later on by dropping the “maybe”
4ndrewl•39m ago
The newspaper article referenced contains insinuation (linking GrapheneOS to the darkweb, criminal gangs etc), and unnamed sources quoting a police investigation.

But that sort of thing sells newspapers. There didn't appear to be anything about the French state taking specific action (eg passing a law) against Graphene.

chris_wot•34m ago
If they consider the country is making laws they can't accept, then the honourable thing is to no longer allow participation within that country.
gowld•33m ago
The laws already exist. Graphene team is accusing the French law enforcement of this:

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115584160910016309

> This doesn't have anything to do with how French journalists have responded to the state actions against GrapheneOS but rather the actions and statements by France's state agencies and law enforcement which are highly concerning. They're making highly inaccurate and libelous claims about GrapheneOS while clearly actively trying to justify taking actions against us. They've shown their hand so we're leaving France including OVH prior to anything bad happening rather than waiting.

and more in the thread.

4ndrewl•29m ago
That link references the newspaper article but there was no mention of any law in it. Will take your word for it, thanks.
blueflow•11m ago
Which state actions? A police raid? Some mean papers delivered?
herbertgreen•25m ago
French newspapers are mostly french republic propaganda paid by the state, and laws and political decisions are tested with headlines like this.

This is public data, it's not a conspiracy. Lots of newspapers would not exist without the taxpayer money: https://www.culture.gouv.fr/thematiques/presse-ecrite/tablea...

perihelions•22m ago
> "Particularité de GraphèneOS : on peut se le procurer autant sur le darknet que sur des sites grand public." ⇒ "A distinctive feature of GrapheneOS is that it can be obtained both on the darknet and on mainstream websites."
aussieguy1234•18m ago
You could probably get normal android roms on the darknet also. Maybe not a good idea, but this is not unique to grapheneos.
hopelite•39m ago
Is it just a coincidence that the recent action against archive.today and all its other TLDs is also based out of France? It also at least tangentially involves state action against an element outside of state control, i.e., being able to keep records out of the regime memory hole.

I did not follow up with whether there was any kind of understanding or resolution of what was going on with the Archive situation, but it seems oddly coincidental that these types of actions would be going on effectively simultaneously.

Mond_•38m ago
What is wrong with that guy in the comments shouting? Christ on a stick, this is the worst crash out I've seen over something like this
djmips•35m ago
He said BYE and I was like phew, he's gone but then nope. Doesn't know what BYE means I guess.
JKCalhoun•30m ago
BYE four or five times.

LET ME SHOW YOU THE DOOR, MAY I?

jddj•34m ago
It speaks to the medium that someone shouting nonsense can absorb so much of the thread
gowld•30m ago
Does mastodon or whatever that UI is not have a way to block someone from appearing on the main commenter's own feed?

This thread is hosted on GrapheneOS's server so I'd assume GrapheneOS team could block multimilliardaire https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115584160910016309

nomilk•27m ago
On most platforms if a post's author replies to a reply, that will boost it above others. Admittedly I don't use mastodon and can't spot how many replies that post actually received (I see 25 boosts, 0 quotes, 21 favourites, but not the number of replies/comments)
jddj•23m ago
This would make sense. And would make their repeatly taking the bait even more regrettable
65•21m ago
Goes to show the fundamental UX design flaws of Mastodon and Twitter. If it were on Hacker News or Reddit it would be instantly downvoted. Even if the OP replied to the comment, it would still be buried. But because of how Mastodon and Twitter are designed, if the OP replies it will get amplified.
zoklet-enjoyer•34m ago
He has an AI pfp and banner and the account was created last month with almost no content other than the insane replies in this thread
catapart•25m ago
Right? I was like, "why is the official os account arguing with a bot?"

I mean, it's also not great ux that it shows up where it does and with so much real estate.

fidelity2482•29m ago
Mental illness sucks. The guy is clearly not doing well.
Xeoncross•29m ago
100% state bot. I wouldn't even think it was just France, other state actors would love to see GrapheneOS go down as well. How dare citizens have technology we can't access.
anigbrowl•27m ago
Normal troll behavior. I don't know why they keep engaging with him since he's obviously just there to poop on the floor.
izacus•25m ago
I don't know, but GrapheneOS posts tend to get the most bizarre attacks on social media. It's really strange - outright unhinged attacks.
embedding-shape•25m ago
Yeah, people be random sometimes, internet can be hostile. But why is @GrapheneOS still engaging? After 2-3 messages you won't really improve on anything, and their goal is probably to just suck energy, so the only way to win is to not engage at all. Also ruins the conversations about the the content, instead people end up focusing on that crazy-on-one-side exchange.

Internet 101: don't provide sustenance to the creatures who sometimes live under bridges.

deutsche•23m ago
He's French.
aussieguy1234•19m ago
Likely a fascist whose sole purpose is to suck energy from the maintainers. An authoritarian trolling an anti-authoritarian project.
caminanteblanco•32m ago
The referenced article: http://archive.today/I65wv
max_•29m ago
This hostility towards privacy all over the world signals that there is a co-ordinated change happening in the world.

Unfortunately we still don't know what it is or what its goals are.

IlikeKitties•27m ago
It's palantir.
boxedemp•21m ago
Specifically, we don't know the goals. Generally, we know it's about control and fear of losing power.

It's a stolen quote but rings true:

Those with power fear one thing above all else; losing said power.

danparsonson•20m ago
Authoritarianism is doing well all over; it doesn't have to be deliberately coordinated, so much as people being basically the same everywhere, and the world sharing some serious problems. What works in one country works in almost any other.
lovich•14m ago
Personally I’ve grown hostile to the concept of anonymous speech but I readily admit that I can’t imagine a way to deanonymize without also losing privacy as most people describe it.

Anonymous posters like what looks like a troll bot that the GrapheneOS account is arguing with have flooded the zone with so much noise its fracturing society imo

tonyhart7•26m ago
GrapheneOS is a project with really good intentions, and we should definitely give them credit.

But here’s the thing: criminals end up exploiting tech like this, and that makes the project an easy target for law enforcement. We’ve seen the exact same thing happen with crypto.

We need to just accept that any technology designed for security and privacy is always going to be a double-edged sword.

IlikeKitties•22m ago
> We need to just accept that any technology designed for security and privacy is always going to be a double-edged sword.

I agree, therefore it should be my legal right to use such technology. Like a 2A for encryption and privacy

Iolaum•17m ago
The problem is not that security solutions are a double edged sword, it's that such solutions stop mass surveillance.

When Ross Ulbricht was arrested, they made sure to do it in a way that they got access to his laptop while logged in. I'm sure competent investigators can figure out the login method used daily by someone on their phone if they follow them because they are committing a crime. Just like they did with Ulbricht. But they can't do that for everyone whenever they feel like it, and that's the problem.

stego-tech•24m ago
Another empire throwing a tantrum because it believes itself to be bigger than its citizenry. Lot of that going around lately, but still no real state actors seemingly willing to give sanctuary to these sorts of security and privacy projects beyond Switzerland, and even they seem keen on weakening protections.

If I had Android, I’d absolutely be using GrapheneOS.

aussieguy1234•20m ago
Since smartphones were invented, seizing a persons phone and going through their private life on it has become a substitute for real police work.

Of course they will hate it if a particular OS and phone combination make this impossible.

anthk•11m ago
Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité, but just for a few. Remember the French goverment banning encryption in the 90's. The French elite hates science and math because it was modernly developed by the Brits, and they love to put Arts/Humanities bullshitters like Derrida on top as if they mattered something over Francis Bacon and Newton. Just watch any TF1 talk show and you'll understand what I mean. Or, well, any state supported Homeopathy based "pills" (which is mostly snake oil being sold as sugar). Or the Sokal affair...

I can go on and on...

delichon•8m ago
> A simple heuristic for the EU is avoiding countries supporting Chat Control.

Cheers mate.

neilv•7m ago
> > I am preparing an article on the use of your secure personal data phone solution by drug traffickers and other criminals.

I think GrapheneOS needs a really good PR expert volunteer, or funding to pay for a non-volunteer.

My non-PR-expert guesses are... If the journalist is in bad faith or flaky, that might need to be handled. But if the journalist is in good faith, this might be an opportunity, to promote GrapheneOS and/or to start to head off adverse gov't actions there.

(GrapheneOS does some great technical work, and has given me what seems to be a more respectful and trustworthy smartphone than I could get from Apple or Google. Right now, I'd think many countries in Europe and elsewhere should be looking at something like GrapheneOS as a possible interim measure on their way to greater digital sovereignty. I understand that the French people especially value liberty.)

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