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EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

https://reclaimthenet.org/eu-council-approves-new-chat-control-mandate-pushing-mass-surveillance
78•fragebogen•43m ago

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baal80spam•27m ago
Who would have thought?!
AndrewSwift•23m ago
It would be nice to have details:

It rewards or penalizes online services depending on whether they agree to carry out “voluntary” scanning, effectively making intrusive monitoring a business expectation rather than a legal requirement.

snvzz•9m ago
Business, eh. Maybe it's time to go open source and fully distributed peer-to-peer. Something like Tox[0] or SimpleX[1].

The (actual) solution should be to fix legislation to adequate protect privacy, because they'll attack this next.

But meantime, a technical solution is better than nothing.

0. https://tox.chat/

1. https://simplex.chat/

raverbashing•7m ago
Exactly this

But people like to sensationalize stuff

This is less worse than the original proposal

Oh and honestly game chat rooms should not be private.

(of course personal 1:1 messages should)

pixelpoet•23m ago
Why are all politicians so shit? Launch these no-good leeches into the sun.

Nobody wants this, including they themselves, which is why they specifically exempt themselves from it.

usrnm•23m ago
Mostly because they are people
latexr•18m ago
Clearly it’s not all of them. Some countries voted against, and even the ones voting in favour had a few people against.

The question is more why do the shit politicians rise to the top. Outside forces (rich people and companies) have too much power and can exert too much influence.

In this case I’m particularly curious about the Danes. They insisted on this more than any other previous attempt. They are forever soiled as fighting against the will of the people.

lambdaone•7m ago
It's baffling from our perspective, but perhaps not so much if you try to look at it the mindset of its proponents.

It's been sold as "for the children". A very substantial proportion of the population are natural authoritarians, and this is red meat for them. Never mind that "the children" that they profess to be protecting are going to grow up living in an increasingly authoritarian surveillance state, this is what authoritarians want for our future, and they see it as not only morally good, but any opposition to it as indefensible.

tgv•3m ago
> The question is more why do the shit politicians rise to the top.

Dumb and greedy voters, traditional and social media, and electoral interference are known reasons. But it's also a matter of compromise: you vote for a party because you agree with a bunch of their points, but almost certainly not all. Topics like privacy are ignored by the general public, so politicians are hardly held accountable for them.

roenxi•9m ago
Well obviously they want it, they voted for it. They probably see the situation in terms of something like class war. There are a bunch of people they don't like in society and they want to identify and marginalise them.

As for why politicians turn out this way, they're just pretty ordinary people (often quite impressive people actually, relative to the norm). Most people don't get an opportunity to show off how useless their political principles are because they have no power or influence. That's why there is always a background refrain of "please stop concentrating power to the politicians it ends badly".

piker•22m ago
Even living nearby in the UK it blows my mind how quickly the EU proposes, kills and then revives and passes controversial legislation in such a short timeframe.
Simulacra•18m ago
That could be a result of the Parliamentary style system. With multiple parties - each sharing a part of the government - proposals and alliances can shift rapidly. It all depends on how big the pie becomes for each to get a slice
iLoveOncall•18m ago
You are a fool if you think the UK is better. I've moved from the EU to the UK and it is worse in every way when it comes to authoritarian measures.

I'm not sure how you can have already forgotten the fact that we have to upload or face or ID to access websites.

poszlem•12m ago
I think he meant that as "I live in the UK where this is already bad, yet the EU still ended up worse.".
cbeach•7m ago
In the UK we've had an authoritarian Conservative government for 14 years, followed by an even more authoritarian Labour government, which we'll have until 2029.

In 2029 it's likely we'll have a more libertarian government:

https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/...

Reform will repeal some of the awful legislation that's been passed over the last few years (e.g. Online Safety Act). They've been loud critics of government overreach.

https://www.ft.com/content/886ee83a-02ab-48b6-b557-857a38f30...

jbstack•4m ago
"a more libertarian government"

As long as you are white British. If you're anything else you're probably going to be worse off under Farage.

It's a shame that if you want to vote for someone with different policies to the two main parties, you have to accept that you are also voting for an outspoken racist. Then again, if he wasn't, he probably wouldn't be popular enough to win.

mrtksn•19m ago
[dupe] 135 comments : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46062777
permo-w•15m ago
why are specifically the Danish so obsessed with pushing this through? it always seems to come back to them
Macha•9m ago
Partly it's because the Danish have the rotating EU presidency at the moment so they have the job of pushing things forward (which also means receiving the most lobbying). In the previous wave earlier in the year, it was the Polish for the same reason.

Partly it's they don't have the same pro-privacy culture that say Germany and many of the eastern european countries have.

People also think the current Danish PM was also offended by a former prominent Danish politician and cabinet minister who was arrested for CSAM possession.

arlort•7m ago
The council of the EU operates on a rotating chair model (which gets called Presidency, sometimes Presidency of the EU)

It's currently held by Denmark so it's the Danish delegation that's mostly doing the brokering etc for this semester

sillyfluke•7m ago
I guess it never hurts to try and find alternate ways of placating the US in order to make them get over their Greenland obession.
concinds•3m ago
The US pressured the UK to withdrawn encryption backdoors.
margorczynski•6m ago
How they're packaging it now? Terrorism? Child porn? Russian agents?

Either way politicians prefer to push unpopular stuff like this via the EU because the responsibility gets muddied - "we didn't want it, the EU regulation requires us to spy on you!".

cpursley•1m ago
Considering some states there are moving to bring back military conscription (France, German taking about it), already arrest people for online speech (UK, Germany) plus all the scare mongering out of the unelected EU people - I’m genuinely concerned they are preparing their populations to forcefully enter the folly in Ukraine. Hope I’m wrong and it’s just legit defense concerns.

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