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Why We Can't Quit Excel

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2025-microsoft-excel-ai-software/
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erikgahner•53m ago
https://archive.is/84dmE
Havoc•37m ago
Yeah don’t think it’s going anywhere any time soon in big corporate - at least in finance. The network effects are just too powerful - compatibility, training, integration, skill availability etc.

Every single attempt to migrate to something else has been a comical failure. On the plus side they tend to be rapid failures rather than SAP style multi years

pjmlp•27m ago
As someone that was part of such project, the main issue is that Excel is really programming, plus there are macros, VBA, AddIns, lambda, PowerQuery, and now Python on top.

All those migration projects tend to fail on the details, there is always that one customisation point that is easily done in Excel, but requires a whole team with architects and such for getting the same capability on the replacement tool.

ezst•22m ago
Nice thing is, Microsoft themselves are undoing that with the push to Office as a web-first application. While making it more ubiquitous (they think), they are at the same time cutting loose some of its strongest anchors
apples_oranges•31m ago
It's just so much easier to stay and keep paying Microsoft than switching. But why hasn't any startup found a way yet to disrupt it by giving the users something they actually love more, so they can start lobbying businesses to switch to it, I wonder.
pjmlp•24m ago
Because every department has a different use of Excel.

LibreOffice and Google Sheets are still quite far from everything that Excel is capabale of.

I was part of a project to replace Excel, on a lifesciences department that was using it, as you might think about R, Pandas and similar.

Tableau was even a more appealing candidate to them.

PurpleRamen•14m ago
Excel is a behemoth of functionality which is constantly growing and improving. It's not as simple as building "just another spreadsheet"; and attempts are made, dozens of them. But it seems they all are either not really understand the strength of Excel, or simply admit defeat from the beginning and try to find a niche where they can compete, by looking at specific usecases and target groups. Kinda like all those companies who build hyper-specialized cooking-tools, but still can't beat the versatility of a good knife, so they mainly sell to normal people, not the real experts.
tsimionescu•13m ago
Because the power of Excel comes from the huge amount of features it has slowly accumulated over the decades of its lifetime. You can pretty easily make an Excel 97 replacement today, probably. But people won't be able to use that in these business contexts - they each need some of those obscure 1% features that got added.
cjs_ac•26m ago
When we write programs in a conventional programming language, what we're doing with the data is shown front and centre, and the data itself is sidelined or often not even present. In a spreadsheet, this is reversed: the data is prioritised, and the formulae are hidden.

There's an immediacy to a spreadsheet: the user can start with very literal actions on data, and slowly introduce abstractions like formulae. In conventional programming, the programmer has nothing but abstractions with which to work.

It's reminiscent of one of Fred Brooks' remarks about how showing the data structures makes the algorithms obvious, but showing the algorithms reveals little about the data structures.

pjmlp•21m ago
It has the appeal of Smalltalk or Lisp inspired live coding environments, gone mainstream with an approach that people can better understand.

Note all the audio programming tools getting embraced by music folks as well, it is coding, but made approachable.

sega_sai•17m ago
That is an interesting take on spreadsheets. I wonder if it is possible to establish some way to switch back and forth between 'programming view' vs 'spreadsheet view'.
Libidinalecon•2m ago
I have always had vague ideas about this with pandas but don't have the aptitude or motivation to take on a project of that size.

I hate Microsoft but love Excel. I was hoping python in excel would be this but I don't think it quite is.

JaumeGreen•23m ago
Spreadsheets are the killer apps. Since I became pointy haired sheets and documents are the fuel of most what I do. Even things like Jira we use them only for the bare minimum and we refer to sheets to see how things are going. Not that I think it's sane, but it's what works.

I even have done this first day's advent of code, and the first part of day two, in a Google sheet. Formulas only, so no scripting needed.

daft_pink•23m ago
It’s pretty simple. Everyone knows how to use it effectively and the cost of training every accountant or finance person is far greater than paying Microsoft a few bucks included in your email anyways. Plus you know it will be compatible with external files.

I worked at a place that used Google Workspace and the most effective people simply supplied their own Excel, because it's just way more efficient than spending hours learning how to use Google's clunky pivot table function, when you already know how to do it well with Microsoft.

lordnacho•14m ago
I think when you learn to code, and I mean coding "real" programs, you forget how powerful Excel actually is.

Yes, it's awful in many ways, but it is very accessible to people who don't consider themselves programmers. "I just want to do my thing" is very easily done in a mashup of the spreadsheet and VBA.

We also forget the pain of learning a new technology. People whose first experience is excel also go through this. Shit doesn't do what you wanted. After a while, they can build stuff in excel, but they don't want to learn python, because there's more pain coming.

Most senior devs have transcended particular languages or technologies, so they don't see it. They pay a very small cost for picking up a new tool, so they scratch their heads when they see a guy who wants to run a trading book on a spreadsheet.

koolala•13m ago
Wish it had interesting alternatives like all the C++ alternatives today. Imagine a spreadsheet that could be 'compiled' into a full stack program.
solatic•2m ago
Spreadsheets are to Finance folk what WordPress is to Marketing folk and what tools like v0 and other LLM-powered web app builders are to Product folk. The promise of having some fancy schmancy technological tool let you do your job by yourself and without needing to collaborate with other people is basically the strongest value proposition that you can make to working professionals.

The fact that all these tools eventually fall apart at scale is basically irrelevant. You can only take away control from their cold, dead hands, and they will never learn the programming skills to build something more scalable themselves. All solutions almost invariably trend towards shifting scaling problems away from the desired frontend that keeps control (or at least the illusion of control) in the hands of business stakeholders (one of the reasons why companies love building all manner of integrations on top of Jira).

And let's be clear, it's not like the alternatives here (i.e. databases) are so easy. Finance folk are used to creating new spreadsheets on their local computer for free and at will; most databases require setting up a server, DNS, certificates, firewalls, all of which have real costs. SQLite naively sounds like a reasonable approach, but by default a table is limited to 2,000 columns while an Excel spreadsheet is by default limited to about 16,000 columns, and yes, stuff like this really matters when you're talking about trying to uproot a favored tool. At the end of the day, most of Excel's limitations are due to attempting to cram a spreadsheet into a single file (same as SQLite); if Microsoft were smart, they'd offer a cloud-only "spreadsheet" (really a database over a full filesystem, or maybe over object storage) without the limitations of ordinary Excel spreadsheets, where Excel-the-desktop-app only downloads to the local client the relevant cells that are actually in view, while adding more options to mirror/load data from external sources into other sheets attached to the same cloud-only "spreadsheet".

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