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2002: Last.fm and Audioscrobbler Herald the Social Web

https://cybercultural.com/p/lastfm-audioscrobbler-2002/
99•cdrnsf•2h ago

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majke•2h ago
Richard Jones is still alive and kicking https://x.com/metabrew
slater•1h ago
^ protected tweets. But he's also on Bsky:

https://bsky.app/profile/metabrew.com

kaizenb•1h ago
Still a member of Last.fm, scrobbling since 4 Jan 2007 with 283,262 scrobbles.
doublerabbit•1h ago
Checking mine, scrobbling since 9 Oct 2006 with 297,127 scrobbles myself.
kaizenb•1h ago
nice!
ndespres•1h ago
Sep 23, 2004 here! 285k scrobbles. Always been a loyal user. My use goes back far enough that I would have scrobbles queued up for when my dialup connection came online to push the days’ missed scrobbles up.
iamacyborg•36m ago
Jun 8th ‘07, 535,618k scrobbles.

My usage went way up once I was able to properly scrobble listens played via my hifi.

cobertos•1h ago
I just moved my scrobbling to a self-hosted instance of Koito after switching from Spotify to Jellyfin. Very happy with the change, as I can still share all my music data with friends
garrettgarcia•1h ago
I'm still scrobbling after all these years.
photios•1h ago
I'd stopped scrobbling like 10 years ago, but recently got into it again.

My 16yo son discovered Last.fm and scrobblibg and got me to install the Jellyfin scrobbler plugin. And I recovered my old account! I got some boomer music jokes from him, but it was worth it.

mdotmertens•59m ago
I left Spotify when their CEO made a military investment.

Breaking free from their recommendation algorithm and dedicating time to discovering music has been a transformative experience.

I am delighted that numerous tools still utilize scrobbling. My favorite recent discovery is Tapmusic. [0]

[0] https://www.tapmusic.net/

dev_l1x_be•1h ago
Also from this era and loosely related.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oink%27s_Pink_Palace

glitchcrab•1h ago
Good lord, Oink was only around for 4 years? I was one of the earlier signups and it felt more like 10 years.
wantlotsofcurry•1h ago
I love last.fm with all my being. I recently created a ListenBrainz (same org as MusicBrainz) account which is an open source alternative that you don’t have to host yourself. I’m scrobbling to both places now just in case.

Check out tapmusic.net too to make cool diagrams out of your scrobbled music.

Nannooskeeska•1h ago
tapmusic.org is currently parked by GoDaddy. Looks like you meant tapmusic.net
quirino•1h ago
I'm a big fan of last.fm.

If you use Spotify, you can download your full listening history here: https://www.spotify.com/us/account/privacy/. You get it in a pretty convenient JSON format and with a little bit of code it's pretty easy to create some visualizations.

There are also websites for visualizing this data. I'm quite fond of this one: https://explorify.link/. It allows you to do some custom queries.

kaizenb•1h ago
I build a web app years ago with Spotify SDK to display top artists, songs, recents, also with a Discovery section that generates new music based on your history. You can create playlists from all sections. free @ https://echoesapp.io
quirino•46m ago
Tried it out now, pretty nice.

Note that apps built from the SDK don't have access to the full history, only up to some cutoff. I tried a couple over the years and wrongly concluded Spotify deleted your history after some time.

The data download does contain everything, which was a very pleasant surprise. I didn't think I'd ever see the data from the couple years gap in my last.fm.

kaizenb•31m ago
Just requested my data. They have noted "Preparation time 30 days" :/ What takes so long?
wnevets•1h ago
Google Music killed my used of foobar, scrobbling, soulseek and probably others.
timthorn•1h ago
Memories. I wrote the initial Windows Media Player plugin for Audioscrobbler but didn't maintain it.
twistslider•1h ago
Last.fm is still used quite a bit, mainly as a listening history tracker rather than a radio or recommendation engine.

Spotify is still the only big streaming service with native platform-level scrobbling. For everything else it's a lot more DIY, usually with third party tools at the device level.

A big reason it’s still relevant is the ecosystem around it. The API hasn't really changed in 15 years, which makes it easy to build tools where a username alone is enough. That kind of lightweight social integration has mostly disappeared elsewhere.

Today, the social / community side is almost entirely just Discord. Nearly every music related server has a bot that displays Last.fm stats. My estimate is that abut 10% of Last.fm their users are also active in Discord music communities.

(Disclaimer: I run .fmbot, a Discord bot that integrates with Last.fm.)

joecool1029•1h ago
> Spotify is still the only big streaming service with native platform-level scrobbling.

That's not true. It's missing from Apple Music but present in Tidal, Deezer, and Quobuz. It also works well with Plex.

A large list from them: https://support.last.fm/t/more-ways-to-scrobble/192

twistslider•40m ago
These integrations are lacking compared to Spotify. For example in Tidal you have to set it for each device where you install the app, and it doesn't work with things like casting. It's easy to forget to set it up which can cause gaps in your history.

The Plex integration gets pretty close to native, but it only scrobbles after a track is done, it doesn't have 'Now Playing' support.

As for Deezer and Quobuz I'm not sure. Afaik Spotify still stands alone by being set-and-forget, working on any device and having full feature support.

ilikehurdles•36m ago
Qobuz works the same way. Set and forget. Don’t know about deezer.
moolcool•19m ago
Missing last.fm support is the only thing keeping me from switching from Spotify to Apple Music
wyre•14m ago
There are 3rd-party apps that have near seamless Apple Music integration, at least on MacOS (Scrobbles for Last.fm) and iPhone (Marvis).
binaryturtle•1h ago
I stopped scrobbling many years ago when they messed together my top artist at the time (the lovely "alan", spelled with all small letters) with other entirely unrelated artists by the same name (but with different letter case, e.g. some "Alan" this, and some "Alan" that.) It didn't represent at all what I was actually listening to, so what was the point?
trocado•1h ago
https://listenbrainz.org/ is an open source scrobbler, with the advantage that it leverages the musicbrainz database and connects listens to artist and track IDs instead of names, avoiding duplicate confusion. You can keep last.fm and submit to both of you like.
ostwilkens•1h ago
Still scrobbling since 2008. A lot of smaller artists used to upload their music to last.fm, and I found a lot of gems there (specifically in the swedish bitpop scene).
esafak•1h ago
Part of the quantified self movement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantified_self

The thing with data is that you have to act on it for it to be useful, and this data is useful only to recommendation engineers. Spotify's end-of-year summary is more than enough to satisfy my curiosity.

mrmagoo17•32m ago
Last.fm was probably my first social network, although it probably doesn't make it justice to call it that! I am still scrobbling after so many years! Loved this article. Really good memories... Thx for sharing
ChrisArchitect•24m ago
https://libre.fm/ scrobbling since 2009 built on GNU FM
sthuck•16m ago
The best ”algorithm” for discovering new music was digging through profiles on last.fm back when the social functions of the site were still active. Sure, it was a lot of manual work, but the results were amazing. It wasn't completely blind, I found that people I had high similarity with, it was more likely I'll like what they like, even across different genres. Sometimes people were nice and took the effort to recommend based on my profile. I got introduced to varied music, different genres and even a bit from different countries.

The worst was Pandora, which did recommendations based on breakdown of musical instruments and elements in the song. It did what it aimed to do pretty well, only it was a bad idea. It gave you a lot of uninspiring music that sounded like a bland copy of something you actually liked.

Spotify's recommendations are not super awful, but definitely feel closer to Pandora's style. I wonder why is the result like that even though I'm sure they train their model based on listening history.

tantalor•14m ago
I always thought Apple missed a huge opportunity to build a social network on top of iTunes.

See what your friends are listening to, develop communities around shared musical interests, get better recommendations. Sort of like YouTube now.

PlunderBunny•3m ago
iTunes Ping: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes_Ping
kome•7m ago
ooo... i thought Last.fm was a rebranding of audioscrobbler; i didn't know it was a parallel project. and I am an audioscrobbler user since 2006! and I've used it to this day, i mean, last.fm.

very interesting article!

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