Conflating actions and feelings is how businesses become hated. I'm not buying the expensive eggs because I believe they are a good price.
piyuv•1h ago
There’s a section “The Specific Use of Gen AI Matters” in the article. Arc Raiders uses GenAI to voice npc characters. I wish it didn’t, but this is not something that’d affect gameplay much.
theshrike79•1h ago
AFAIK the enemies are also trained with machine learning.
coppsilgold•1h ago
That just shows that GenAI is associated with poor quality content at this moment.
So the true opposition is to poor quality content, not GenAI.
Unfortunately for artists, actors, etc. GenAI right now is the worst it's ever going to be, and it was much worse just a year ago.
piyuv•1h ago
Fortunately, GenAI will never be as good as human artists.
beering•46m ago
That may be true, but you can’t compare average GenAI with the best humans because there are many reasons the human output is low quality: budget, timelines, oversights, not having the best artists, etc. Very few games use the best human artists for everything.
Same with programming. The best humans write better code than Codex, but the awful government portals and enterprise apps you’re using today were also written by humans.
KK7NIL•35m ago
"Fortunately, machines will never be as good as human chess players."
happytoexplain•22m ago
Subjective vs objective. Also, analogies are almost always weak rhetorical distractions. The conversation just becomes about the differences between the two things. If you want to state an opinion about X, form the thought about X, rather than just pointing to Y and asserting they're the same.
itsdrewmiller•55m ago
Doesn’t seem like they surveyed whether use of AI would actually affect purchasing or playing decisions. I think your implication is correct that it mostly won’t.
0cf8612b2e1e•32m ago
That’s a little harder to disentangle for a work of art. There is only one and if you want to experience it, you have to take the good with the bad. Plenty of people may hate a particular actor, but will still watch a film featuring them.
Owing to network effects, games can be extra sticky because you want to consume the same media as your friends.
I would prefer a mushy human was responsible for the art I consume, but I am probably not going to boycott a game because it uses AI for some assets.
PeterStuer•1h ago
Just a very, very small, VERY vocal minority. 99,9999% of gamers (I was considering putting in a seven't 9, but decided to err on the safe side) just judge the end result and could not give a rat's ass about how it was created.
itsdrewmiller•1h ago
This is a survey of gamers that shows the overwhelming majority claim to hate it. Do you think they are only sampling that minority?
PeterStuer•52m ago
No. I'd say they are polling mostly completely uninformed people on the interwebs that haven't given this more than 3 seconds of thought before they clicked an option and have almost 0% expertise in actually detecting AI assisted work when it is done well, but since there is 0 cost proposed just prefered 'human' over 'machine'. Basically the equivalent of the beauty contestant's "peace on earth".
lp0_on_fire•49m ago
It doesn’t take more than a few seconds of thought for me to decide I don’t want the latest LLM slop in creative products. Inasmuch as video games are creative products.
makerofthings•42m ago
Anecdote from me. I’m in a video games slack channel with ~350 of my coworkers who know well what ai looks like and like video games. Everyone hates it. I’d love a permanent steam selection to hide generative ai.
xboxnolifes•32m ago
Mostly polling the uninformed would suggest they are actually polling the majority.
NotGMan•32m ago
It's basicaly this, combined with the fact that most gamers think that AI means "slop".
But AI has completely legit non-slop use in games: texture gen, 3D model gen, Suno for audio, programming,...
saulpw•13m ago
If everyone on the planet is a gamer (8.26 billion people), your "99.9999%" figure would mean that only 8260 gamers--in the entire world--care.
I'm one of those gamers. I'm pretty sure we can find more than 8259 others.
jdlyga•18m ago
Gamers are overwhelmingly negative of using Gen AI to replace what artists and designers would normally do. It feels artificial. What they could try doing instead is to use Gen AI for dynamic content generation during gameplay, like how Minecraft generates chunks. But more deliberate and intelligent rather than purely an algorithm. Gen AI is good for replacing not what humans would normally do, but what algorithms would normally handle but aren't great at.
coppsilgold•1h ago
happytoexplain•1h ago
piyuv•1h ago
theshrike79•1h ago
coppsilgold•1h ago
So the true opposition is to poor quality content, not GenAI.
Unfortunately for artists, actors, etc. GenAI right now is the worst it's ever going to be, and it was much worse just a year ago.
piyuv•1h ago
beering•46m ago
Same with programming. The best humans write better code than Codex, but the awful government portals and enterprise apps you’re using today were also written by humans.
KK7NIL•35m ago
happytoexplain•22m ago
itsdrewmiller•55m ago
0cf8612b2e1e•32m ago
Owing to network effects, games can be extra sticky because you want to consume the same media as your friends.
I would prefer a mushy human was responsible for the art I consume, but I am probably not going to boycott a game because it uses AI for some assets.