But yeah this new camera would be good for living microbes.
https://imaging.cs.cmu.edu/svaf/static/pdfs/Spatially_Varyin...
1. https://www.laserfocusworld.com/optics/article/16555776/alva... 2. https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/55af/9b325ba16fa471e55b2e49...
That would make it really useful, maybe replacing carmera+lidar.
While this methods has no post processing, it requires a pre processing step to pre-calture the scene, segment it, estimate depth an compute the depth map.
- processing: while there is no post processing, it needs scene depth information which requires pre computation, segmentation and depth estimation. Not a one-shot technique and quality depends on computational depth estimates being good
- no free lunch. The optical setup needs to trade in some light for this cool effect to work. Apart from the limitations of the prototype, how much loss is expected in theory? How does this compare to a regular camera setup with lower aperture? F/36 seems excessive for comparison.
- resolution - what resolutions have been achieved? (maybe not the 12 MPixels of the sensor? For practical or theoretical reasons? ) What depth range can the prototype capture? "photo of Paris Arc de triumphe displayed on a screen". This is suspiciously omitted
- how does the bokeh look like when out of focus? At the edge of an object? The introduction of weird or unnatural artifacts would seriously limit the acceptance
Don't get me wrong - nice technique! But to my liking the paper is omitting fundamental properties
When you reduce aperture size the depth of field increases. So for example when you use f/16 pretty much everything from a few feet to infinity is in focus.
Not doubting you, just asking to understand. Astrophotography doesn't always behave the same as terrestrial photography
- focal length (wider is deeper)
- crop factor (higher is deeper)
- subject distance (farther is deeper)
compared to your telescope, any terrestrial photography is likely at the opposite extremes, and at a disadvantage everywhere but subject distance.
but, focus is most mechanically sensitive near infinity. adjustment creates an asymptotically larger change in the focal plane as infinity is approached.
in a point-and-shoot camera with a wide lens at f16, "infinity" basically means across the street.
Last page in the paper has a comparison between their approach and f/32 https://imaging.cs.cmu.edu/svaf/static/pdfs/Spatially_Varyin...
This is a pretty good point, which gets me to wonder whether the developers of autonomous vehicles use variable focus adjustments as a part of their ML stack? Or simply set the focal point to infinity.
krackers•1mo ago
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NooneAtAll3•1mo ago
Processing was as simple as "click on the thing you want in focus". and 4MP was just fine for casual use it was targetting
Forgeties79•1mo ago
That’s a bad recipe for casual and professional users alike. Can’t ingest into your workflow quickly, images are low res, can’t improve the image, and your smartphone was better just missing one, admittedly neat, feature. If that existed in phones people would use it like crazy I imagine.
Too narrow of a use case IMO, too many compromises for one feature, hence why it failed.
analog31•1mo ago
I remember a friend, who was a photography buff, was quite excited about the camera. But he didn't actually buy one.
NooneAtAll3•1mo ago
cycomanic•1mo ago
Loss, i.e. equivalent aperture is a different matter and I think this would imply quite a light loss.
Forgeties79•1mo ago
We’re talking about a specific camera, the lytros, which had a 4MP resolution. I’m not saying there was a limitation in the technology broadly speaking. Just that this camera was not worth it for the time. It’s sacrificed too much for one feature and at $400 it just didn’t sell
stevenjgarner•1mo ago
While conventional cameras capture a single high-resolution focal plane and light field cameras sacrifice resolution to "re-focus" via software after the fact, the CMU Split-Lohmann camera provides a middle ground, using an adaptive computational lens to physically focus every part of the image independently. This allows it to capture a "deep-focus" image where objects at multiple distances are sharp simultaneously, maintaining the high resolution of a conventional camera while achieving the depth flexibility of a light field camera without the blur or data loss.
Something I find interesting is that while holograms and the CMU camera both manipulate the "phase" of light, they do so for opposite reasons: a hologram records phase to recreate a 3D volume, whereas the CMU camera modulates phase to fix a 2D image.
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fainpul•1mo ago
https://imaging.cs.cmu.edu/svaf/static/pdfs/Spatially_Varyin...
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dale_glass•1mo ago
Lytro as I understand it, trades a huge amount of resolution for the focusing capability. Some ridiculous amount, like the user gets to see just 1/8th of the pixels on the sensor.
In a way, I'd say rather than too early it was too late. Because autofocus was already quite good and getting better. You don't need to sacrifice all that resolution when you can just have good AF to start with. Refocusing in post is a very rare need if you got the focus right initially.
And time has only made that even worse. Modern autofocus is darn near magic, and people love their high resolution photos.
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dale_glass•1mo ago
A pro will show up with a 300mm f/2.8, a tripod, a camera with good AF and high ISO, and the skills, plan and patience to catch birds in flight.
But all that stuff is expensive. The consumer way to approximate the lack of a good lens is a small, high res sensor. That only works in bright light, but you can get good results with affordable equipment in the right conditions. Greatly reducing the resolution is far from optimal when you can't have a big fancy lens to compensate.
And where is focus the hardest? Mostly where you want to have high detail. Wildlife, macro, sports.
blincoln•1mo ago
It's also possible to generate a depth map from a single shot, to use as a starting point for a 3D model.
They're pretty neat cameras. The relatively low output resolution is the main downside. They would also have greatly benefited from consulting with more photographers on the UI of the hardware and software. There's way too much dependency on using the touchscreen instead of dedicated physical controls.
dale_glass•1mo ago
The more recent cameras can detect birds specifically and are great at tracking them.
> It's also possible to generate a depth map from a single shot, to use as a starting point for a 3D model.
That is true, but is a very niche need. Wonderful if you do need it, but it's a small market.
hyperific•1mo ago
https://youtu.be/4qXE4sA-hLQ?si=QsEG2PtAmVjIfwDA
ThePowerOfFuet•1mo ago
https://youtu.be/4qXE4sA-hLQ