It's amazing how fast free speech has been destroyed in the past year. Especially when it comes to censorship of science and science's conclusions.
However, I heard many many more people complaining about a lack of free speech in 2023 and 2024 than now. I really wonder what happened to all those principles! It's shocking.
"When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles,"
"For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law."
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/160...
Designating English as the Official Language of The United States
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/desi...
Enforcing Commonsense Rules of the Road for America's Truck Drivers
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/04/enfo...
GENIUS Act
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/158...
HALT Fentanyl Act
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/331...
Implementing the General Terms of the U.S.-UK Economic Prosperity Deal
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/06/fact-sheet-im...
Maintaining American Superiority by Improving Export Control Transparency Act
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/2025/08/cong...
President Donald J. Trump Accelerates Federal Permitting of Data Center Infrastructure
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/07/fact-sheet-pr...
President Donald J. Trump Ensures Efficient Funding Processes and Decisions for Energy and Critical Mineral Projects
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/06/fact-sheet-pr...
President Donald J. Trump Establishes Make America Beautiful Again Commission
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/07/fact-sheet-pr...
President Donald J. Trump Promotes the Export of American AI Technologies
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/07/fact-sheet-pr...
President Donald J. Trump Secures Peace and Prosperity in Malaysia
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/10/fact-sheet-pr...
President Trump signs Take It Down Act, addressing nonconsensual deepfakes.
https://apnews.com/article/take-it-down-deepfake-trump-melan...
President Donald J. Trump Takes Immediate Action to Increase American Mineral Production
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/03/fact-sheet-pr...
The United States and Indonesia Reach Historic Trade Deal
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/07/fact-sheet-th...
Trump signs order to ease US marijuana regulations, sparking industry hopes
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/trump-moving-ease-u...
I could go on but you get the idea ...
Downvotes are expected, of course. I can spare -4 HN points.
Enjoy :).
https://x.com/Rexflexasaurus/status/2001756557676077460
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46406484
[updating as I find them, also, learn to use Google people]
The MAGA people, believe it or not, say very similar things about you.
> When our enemies say: well, we gave you the freedom of opinion back then - yeah, you gave it to us, that's in no way evidence that we should return the favor! Your stupidity shall not be contagious! That you granted it to us is evidence of how dumb you are!
-- Joseph Goebbels, 1935
Over the summer in the California valley, your computer will scream at you in bright red text it's hot outside. You'll even receive emergency messages on your phone, tv and radio from the government when it reaches triple-digits. There's a joke from someone I can't recall, but the gist is "we used to call it summer...".
Just recently, California declared a state of emergency over a winter storm - a usual/normal occurrence for this time of year as well.
Normal and completely natural weather events are being used to create an environment of alarmism and fear. This is part of why our youth are so convinced the world is going to end $NEXT_YEAR - they've grown up in a world were the government constantly tells them to be afraid of normal, seasonal weather.
There is no national lab producing "alarmism" and calling it that as justification for cutting funding is meant as a justification for restricting free speech and free science.
And that there's some disincentive for wealthy people to go against the current administration's policies?
That is the government trying to perform censorship.
Sorry, I don't follow. At any rate, you're replying to a post that gave object examples of things that actually happened, and you made not attempt to explain why the things the other person considered unreasonable are actually reasonable.
> calling it that as justification for cutting funding is meant as a justification for restricting free speech
Freedom of speech as a philosophical concept does not entail entitlement to funding, never mind 1A.
Or maybe offer an alternative solution to the Svalbard seed bank? They actually need to pump water from melting ice outside nowadays.
There are severe weather alerts even in red-states that don't believe the climate is changing at all. Because they do notice when people die.
Maybe that's too much "big government" for you tastes - "oh no, they made my phone beep!" - but...
That's not really the same thing as research into knowing what is going on long-term.
That weather kills people.
In Portland, where I used to live, there are more hundred-plus-degree days and heat deaths in the last decade than in the city's entire recorded history. The city has had to open cooling centers for extended periods every summer for vulnerable people, something that was never needed before outside of specific single-year exceptional heat waves.
https://www.oregonlive.com/weather/2017/08/its_not_just_your...
https://www.wweek.com/news/2025/08/25/extreme-heat-claims-th...
Free speech doesn't create an obligation. It's not a binding magic. It's irrelevancy hasn't just happened. It's been a slow death.
The shift to information age and science education did not start until after the Boomers and much of GenX were in and out of school and college. The world for them was cheap and just winging it. Science! Bah! Uncle Rico can still throw them balls over that mountain!
Was warning people 15 years ago the now 80 year olds in charge are nihilistic and not going to change; they will be dead and are just trolling youth about caring. They’re self selecting biology.
Takes $800k/yr to have the buying power $200k/yr had in 1980. The rise in inequality and the global temperature follow a growth pattern that was way too normal to be winging it; what's been allowed economically has been very carefully studied and managed to preserve freedom of agency for the elders. Same as environment:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_deni...
Same old stupid political inanity as when I was younger. It still works on a lot of people.
This doesn't really have anything to do with constitutional "free speech". This is a government agency, not the personal research blog of a private citizen.
Government agencies don't have "free speech".
That said, it's a shame this is happening. Maybe a future administration will reopen it.
Future administration?
You can take them up on polymarket.
If I can buy, say, low probability insurance that that will give me a squad of mercenaries and a jet to a bunker somewhere safe, I’d be far more apt to put my money where my mouth is.
It’s not a bad bet. It’s just a dumb bet. The payout doesn’t match the risk.
We’ll see how ICE at select polling places and iffy federal-run voter role purges go in 2026. Should set the tone for how far they try to go in 2028.
It’s not like they didn’t already use both covert and overt means to try to overturn an election, and get caught red-handed on both (I mean, one was televised live, so…) Much cleaner to put in the effort on Election Day itself.
I have 100k NO on trump. it's free money if someone seriously thinks there won't be any "future administration".
of course once there's money at stake they grumble and say there probably will be an election after all <_<
at the end of the day people don't actually believe it, which is why trump is valued little. people who aren't willing to bet with their money on things they say so absolutely aren't serious people.
Either that, or they don’t have money to throw at dumb bets.
There are in fact people who avoid gambling on general principle, unrelated to any one particular thing they're being pressured to bet on.
Some possible outcomes (I personally don't believe they are very probable), but...
There is no "call" or inaugurated at all, Trump stays on via some kind of "emergency". The market will fail to resolve to an outcome (based on what it says).
Somehow (via a normal election, or the outcome being decided in the House) one of Trumps sons becomes president.
This, I think, illustrates some of the problems with far out edge cases in prediction markets. Nailing down all of the possible outcomes exactly is hard.
My understanding is that, in many ways, government agencies are more constitutionally protected speech-wise than private entities, precisely because any hierarchical attempt to punish them for their speech would be coming from the government rather than private entities. IANAL (or even American) though so grain of salt.
In any case, a lot of the right-wing hypocrisy around free speech that was being called out by OP didn't have much to do with constitutionally protected freedom of speech either - it was complaining about things like private companies (e.g. Twitter) shadowbanning people.
"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America." U.S. Const., Art. II, Sec. 1, cl. 1.
(There are so-called independent agencies, but the constitutionality of true independence is in question in the Trump v. Slaughter case. You can read about it at https://www.oyez.org/cases/2025/25-332 or https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/12/court-seems-likely-to-sid... or https://reason.com/volokh/2025/12/17/trump-v-slaughter-was-t... or https://reason.com/volokh/2025/12/09/some-answers-to-justice... )
Speech is important. Scientific speech more important. A government right now is using its power to selectively defund and wipe out big chunks of scientific research and communications that ultimately exist to protect your future. You should be livid and working to inform people how dangerous this is, not making poor excuses.
Making poor excuses? Don't tell me what to do. If you're so "livid" then you can go hit the pavement for both of us.
Yes. They were motivated by private individuals losing their livelihood, rather than by organizations losing government funding that was not a priori owed to them.
> You should be livid and working to inform people how dangerous this is, not making poor excuses.
Or you could fund it.
This is the significant point. The govt is defunding yet another scientific research institute. To me it seems more productive to get more specific and more substantive from there: How much of the research presently carried out at NCAR will continue? Are there alternative institutes or sources of funding that might save some of it? What are the likely tangible implications? Is the whole place even closing down or just some of it?
Going in the other direction, less specific, more amorphous abstraction about whether or not this is a free speech issue risks derailing the conversation into semantics.
There are interesting questions about wider meaning of free speech than what's protected by the first amendment, but getting moralistic because someone doesn't consider this a free speech issue, while you both agree that it's government defunding a research institute, and that it's bad, seems unnecessarily fractious
Did you interpret the calls for the end of censoring and cancellations that all government agencies must continue to exist forever?
And if so is there any resemblance of logic behind that interpretation?
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised about this at all. If anything, I think it might even be the same cause: because climate change sceptics were being suppressed before Trump.
To be upfront: I'm not American, but it's hard not to notice how the narrative has changed all over the internet.
My personal perspective to the climate crisis has always been a defeatist attitude, I was always in favor of green energy etc, but that's primarily because it would also improve the local area, Air quality etc. from a climate change perspective, it was always pointless, because that's a global issue and cannot be solved by internal regulation in a singular country
These are the same people who were "being censored by the media" while going on Fox News to complain about it.
Whining about freedom of speech, or the "demise of Western values", while banning school libraries worth of classic works of western literature for being "subversive".
Their heads would probably explode reading Plato or J.S. Mill.
Fox News literally had a segment on the difference between pedophilia and some other philia whose name I forget.. it was basically saying hey they weren’t 5, they were 14-16! That’s different! Wonder why they’d feel the need to air that viewpoint…
And the J.D. Vance nominated judge will say "not guilty!"...
And if it turns out to be a big nothingburger, can we sue the politicians to recover the billions in taxpayer dollars that were diverted to their cronies on projects to nowhere during the green gold rush?
This is a major reason why developing countries are leapfrogging the west on this sort of stuff. Massive S.E. Asian cities are experiencing tremendous health benefits from the green revolution.
Similar to battery recycling - which might end up being "recycled" by some 8 year old kid in SE Asia with a sledgehammer.
Wind turbines are not problems. They are opportunities. Notice that thr specious bullshit problems cited with wind turbines go away in rural areas once farmers are the ones making money on them.
This is a silly opinion to have. It's like complaining that reinforcing police presence in an area is problem shifting because you'll still have crime taking place somewhere else. It's an attempt to frame any action as a false dilemma that forces an all-or-nothing logic based on specious reasoning.
* (that is, if there's not a global conspiracy of pedo-scientists set to harm poor oil tycoons)
It takes nothing but stark intentional ignorance to make a statement like yours.
It absolutely boggles my mind at the suggestion that green energy is all profit seeking, as if the counterparties in big oil aren't also just as or more interested in maintaining status quo in the opposite direction. Yet I never see someone who expresses ideas like this recognize or acknowledge that.
We wouldn't want to become one of those! As long as we never hold leaders accountable I'm sure we'll be safe from that fate.
If you think of any (societal) issue you care about, there's a good chance it would get solved with that tiny change
The specificity required of legislation to enact such a thing would be ridiculously un-tiny.
But, yes, it should be done, it should exist, it is the right thing to do, it is worth the effort.
Donald Trump is 79. He can only be held accountable in the afterlife, if there is one.
This is a super interesting perspective.. but instead of only looking to the future, could we apply this to the past?
aka Were their predictions about global warming in 2015, 2000, or earlier that drove policy that ended up being incorrect?
I suppose China does not need american scientist to work in China. They just need to make sure they can't work in the US. Which they are doing.
The only "funny" outcome is that they manage to fund a startup that develops tools to alleviate climate change, and explicitly reserve them to countries and states that believed in climate change in the first place.
But that would be mean. So, of course Florida can have it. It will just be slightly expensive for them.
The production of ignorance is booming as its trajectory takes it from roots in advertising, then lobbying, then political campaigns to center stage in political strategy and official government business.
I suspect the academics who study culturally cultivated ignorance will be playing catchup for at least a decade after this administration!
(Assuming they are still around, of course.)
FACT: There's a lot that the United States can do to make the situation much worse or better.
FACT: However bad the current situation is, continuing the emissions will keep worsening it.
FACT: Digging in on dying technologies supports the prosperity of our less idiotic adversaries.
FACT: You will be downvoted to oblivion by people who are more aware of what the actual facts are.
There is no appetite for oil alternatives that would stop this from meaning the deaths of hundreds of thousands or more people.
The fact is there is no effective way to power a stable grid with modern renewables. Increasing the energy mix sustainably is great. But if people truly want to divest from oil and coal there number one issue right now should be how to onboard nuclear energy effectively. This has been true for decades at this point, but purist policies on the right and the left have left it completely unrealized or actively dismantled it.
We can debate how much nuclear is needed, but renewables can do a lot, and just hoping that AI will bring nuclear fusion in 5 years is not a great strategy
That's not to say that nuclear power is bad to have, but there's an extremely obvious trajectory here of cheap battery-backed solar everywhere, with few regulatory hurdles and obvious incentives for people to have their own mini solar systems and batteries that take load off the larger grid.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/12/16/trum...
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/17/climate/national-center-f...
America is moving fast towards some sort of fascism, and noone seems to be doing anything about it. So if you are American this is the time for you to rise up and show the rest of the world that there is another America. If you don't noone else will, and things will only get worse.
I'll leave you with a few quotes to get started on your journey back towards a functional democracy:
"A little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical" - Thomas Jefferson
"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing—after they've tried everything else," - Winston Churchill
Elizabeth Willing Powel: "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" to Which Benjamin Franklin replied: "“A republic, if you can keep it.”
Godspeed. I wish you the very best as a country.
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data-ottawa•1h ago
Governments should be responsible for preventing these types of externalities as one of their core functions. There is no incentive for markets, consumers, and companies to deal with this, yet the forecast costs of climate change and sea level rise are (and will be) massive. Many places have some weak patchwork framework of private insurance and FEMA style funds, but without an actual pricing and enforcement system there's no way out of the warming feedback loop.
I was extremely disappointed in the failure of my (Canada's) government to articulate what a carbon tax was or how it worked to voters, and that allowed the opposition from both sides to chip at it until now it's a politically toxic idea.
The game theory of international accords is increasingly falling apart and countries will try to undercut each other on carbon pricing.
https://www.newyorker.com/cartoon/a16995