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How to Win Friends and Influence People: Unrevised Version

https://socialskillswisdom.com/
37•MrBuddyCasino•15h ago

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MrBuddyCasino•15h ago
„We use the unrevised edition because we believe the revised edition (the revisions were done by Carnegie’s relatives after his death) forcefully makes the language of the book gender neutral and politically correct and takes away from the originality of the work.

They even went so far ahead as to make quotes from other people gender neutral and politically correct.

Most of the revised editions available today do not include Parts 5 and 6. Even the included parts see many paragraphs and examples omitted.

In many places, characters in examples who were male have been edited to be female.

It appears that Carnegie’s relatives decided to heavily excise content and highhandedly edit the work to match their own sensibilities and what appears to the webmasters as a feminist agenda.

The unrevised edition as on this website is complete without exclusions and edits.

We believe this text written by Dale Carnegie himself while he was alive without the alterations made by his relatives after his death is more readable, complete, and enjoyable.“

GaryBluto•14h ago
I don't understand what compels the family to alter his work. If you want a "girl power" self-help book, why not write one yourself instead of stealthily altering an existing one?
mgrat•14h ago
I can't defend all the modifications, but let's take a look at why they may have felt the need:

> Men should express their appreciation of a woman’s effort to look well and dress becomingly. All men forget, if they have ever realized it, how profoundly women are interested in clothes.

> Mrs Lincoln’s jealousy was so foolish, so fierce, so incredible, that merely to read about some of the pathetic and disgraceful scenes she created in public – merely reading about them seventy-five years later makes one gasp with astonishment. She finally went insane; and perhaps the most charitable thing one can say about her is that her disposition was probably always affected by incipient insanity.

JSR_FDED•14h ago
Why does this have to be a “feminist agenda”?

Maybe Carnegie’s relatives decided the book could appeal to a 2x audience?

ramblerman•14h ago
> Maybe Carnegie’s relatives decided the book could appeal to a 2x audience?

So if a book uses male examples it only appeals to males, but if it uses female examples it appeals to both males and females?

apothegm•13h ago
Huh? The revised edition doesn’t use ONLY female examples. It uses both.
palmotea•10h ago
IIRC, something similar to the The Elements of Style for its 4th edition. It got revised by some anonymous hack to match current-day sensibilities, which is totally inappropriate for a book that's so opinionated.

Books really shouldn't be turned into brands. If you're going to have someone who's not the author revise a book, they should put the revisor's name on the cover as one of the authors.

beardyw•13h ago
Should we restore "And Then There Were None" to it's original title?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_Then_There_Were_None

satisfice•11h ago
I have the same problem with woke slop as I have with AI slop: it is data without a coherent context. You think you are receiving an intentional message from a specific person, but lo, you are merely being manipulated.

With woke slop, the authors aren’t telling you the truth of their experience as they see it, but rather as they think they are allowed to believe.

I read the original version of this book decades ago. I found it helpful, and it was a useful exercise to translate it into modern terms for myself, in real-time.

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