Is anyone that naive at this point? The majority of us have learned to realize that these things are not as simple as they are presented (either by conspiracy theorist, the media, a/o politicians.) Put another way, is anyone saying it was purely about oil?
We do know Trump likes playing offense. His favorite strategy? Put the defender on its heels and keep them there. That said, was the drugs issue a cover? Could be. But does any other drug exporting country want to take that chance?
I mean, I understand that this is HN, and people here probably think that every country south of Texas is a drug exporting country full of Mexicans.
The main producers of drugs in South America are Colombia and Bolivia. Traditionally Colombia has the largest cartels.
I don't even think oil was the main goal of the US. There is no occupation of Venezuela, and not even a puppet dictator was put in place.
Maduro's vice president seems to be in power and there's no real indication that the Venezuelan government still in place will enact meaningful policy changes. Unless an actual occupation begins, the only thing I expect is that if the new government is too weakened the situation will spiral into a civil war of sorts.
I think that Trump just did something to take focus away from the whole Epstein deal for a bit.
https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2025-07/2025National...
Thanks for proving my point for me.
The sole reason? That’s over the top. Did it contribute to the feasibility? Of course it did. Aside from loving to play offense, Trump is a master at the distraction(s). He knows ppl are obsessed with him (read: haters are going to hate) and he uses that to his advantage.
But to say this was a cover for the whole Epstein show is overthinking it.
But sure, I’ll entertain your theory… where is all the cocaine coming from then? North? Canada? East? Europe? South East? Africa???
Cocaine? Most of it is exported from Colombia and Bolivia if we are talking South America. Venezuela traditionally does not play a major role in international drug trafficking.
Other South American countries such as Paraguay and Brazil likely have a larger role than Venezuela.
> The sole reason? That’s over the top.
Trump has shown multiple times he has no problems in using state apparatus to his own benefit.
He is also an uber narcissist that is affected when the current news cycle is too negative.
Also, Trump has a particular modus operandi, one I actually find to be his main strength - He doesn't flinch of owning his transgressions. People accuse him of tax evasion? He just says that of course he does it.
The Epstein shit is one thing he can't own. What is he going to say? "yeah, I am a pedophile, every billionaire is"? This is the one thing he needs to keep deflecting.
I posted my comment for others to read, and they did. I have no reason to move on.
He's an elected head of state. I think an informed electorate would be interested in continuously knowing what he's doing.
Trump is a highly emotional man driven by his feelings. Pete Hegseth is also a highly emotional man, openly driven by his feelings and notion of bully kind of masculinity. Vance is the most rational from the three, but still fairly on the emotional side.
And yet, people still insist on looking for rationalizations for what these do. Both with Trump and Hegseth, the feeling comes first. Something made them feel certain way or they want to feel certain way. Yes there are rational parts of motivation that combine with these.
But imo, the real truth is that ordering an attack and watching that attack happen makes them feel strong, powerful and like a manly man. These are intoxicating feelings. And all of that being real, real people dying, makes them much stronger then what one feels when playing computer game. They like this, on emotional level. And it is fair to guess they will continue doing this, because that is how guys addicted to own masculinity operate. They always need more.
I live in Jalisco. Your condescension isn’t really contributing anything to HN.
I think “popular” opinion is that this is just Iraq, again. So even if no one credible is saying it, I think a lot of people are saying it (I don’t have a link, but check any of the major Reddit threads, as a form of sentiment analysis).
And being clear, I’m not saying that does or doesn’t matter, or that social media sentiment matters. But a lot of (naive) people are buying the sold narrative.
Both are violent, hegemonic, imperialist dinosaurs holding the world back, and the world would be infinitely and objectively better off with the extinction of both. Barring that, yes, the UN should at the very least expel both. The fact that can't happen is evidence that the UN is a farce.
It was created to be a place for world leaders to attempt negotiations before blowing each other up.
All that would accomplish is removing potential peace talks. The violence would still occur.
Now, consider: Brazil has the second biggest known rare earth reserves in the World (second only to China). As a Brazilian, this scares me a bit.
This was a new term at the time, shifting drugs from a police issue to a military one, and obviously trying to manufacture consent for military intervention.
But Trump wasn't re-elected in 2020 so the plan stalled for 5 years. Now it's back. The military didn't 'asses threats' or whatever other garbage this piece claims, this is long pre-meditated.
But, the oil story is not quite what it seems either. Sure Trump wants to get his hands on all that oil and other resources, that's probably the only part he understands (and 'bad hombres').
But far more important for the Pentagon and people with actual brains, is to thwart China's influence in America's 'sphere of influence'. Venezuela is literally America's backyard, and the last time that was severely violated by a peer power, it almost led to armageddon (Cuba).
I think it's much simpler. Maduro became a fixation for Trump and the republicans mostly for ideological reasons. It's the same reason he rolled back normalization of relationships with Cuba under Obama. Venezuelan oil is critical to the Cuban economy. Cuban votes in Florida are important for republicans in Florida. Removing Maduro has many beneficial side effects at a very low cost. They might end up with fresh oil supplies, critical minerals, a more friendly regime, and it send a strong signal to countries like Panama, Cuba, and others that all are under a lot of pressure from Trump already. And they get to send back a lot of Venezuelan refugees.
The oil is probably not that critical. Over supply would actually be bad for US producers that are currently extracting at a relatively high cost. Investing in Venezuela sounds like a high risk type thing. The country has a history of revolutions. There's no guarantee that any investments today are worth anything in ten years. I doubt much will happen there.
This is about opportunism. Maduro was weak. Taking him out creates opportunities. Trump can score some points, send back some refugees, please oil companies, and put pressure on other countries in the region. I wouldn't credit him with any kind of long term strategy or vision. I don't think he actually cares what happens in ten years. And I don't think he cares about the significant international/diplomatic cost either. Some bridges were burned yesterday on that side. That might actually create problems elsewhere.
But it's overwhelmed by the geopolitics. China invests in minerals all over the world, but this is literally America's backyard, and America does not want to cede control.
The US has just as much as "rare" earths/minerals as China has, maybe even more. But getting these minerals is costly compared to China and other countries. The reason is environmental and labor.
Mining rare earths right now creates an environmental disaster in the area, land and water table destroyed. No community will let such a mine any where near them. And of course labor is far more expensive here.
So, maybe it is easier to put a puppet gov in place and allow mining companies wreak havoc in that country then trying to ramp up this type of mining in the US. Plus you get the benefit of large oil reserves.
But after seeing what happened in Iraq, I doubt even this will succeed.
As for Iraq, it was founded on WMD lies to give rich contracts to Vice President Dick Cheney's firm Halliburton.
I don't believe that for a minute - that the pentagon just decided to attack Venezuela without asking Trump.
FrankWilhoit•2d ago