I hope someone’s been reviewing their work in case they’ve been adding certain german related Easter eggs

if i thought it alone was proof enough, i wouldnt have also included the bit about how i was actively using azure.

its one signal, among others. and in any case, i wasn't trying to prove the parent commenter wrong. i was offering my own signal to the crowd.

Have you ever actually hosted gitlab?

>10 hours of outage in a year affecting a team of 10 would cost north of $70k

10 hours x 10 developers x $70 per hour = $7000, not $70000.

What kind of alternatives do you see as viable for large(ish) commercial users?

Companies are already using on-premise GitHub server, if they are using GitHub in the first place. There are many other self hosted solutions which are quite common in enterprise environment.

In my experience companies are moving into GitHub for Copilot and GHA.

It's amazing, before we even had ChatGPT, GitLab was building so much endless slop halfbaked crap in their pursuit of ever more "enterprise checkboxes". Now they have slowed right down, no doubt collapsing under the escalating maintenance weight of all the nonsense that was created, like the canaries in the vibe coding mines telling us of impending doom.

Now you go to their blog, theres a banner at the top announcing "GitLab Agentic AI whatever is GA (GENERAL AVAILABILITY)" and you try to click it its literally a fucking 404 not found. That's the level of their stability and quality. Try it for yourself:

https://about.gitlab.com/blog/

*Stupid question*: What is so hard about self hosting one's own repo? I get it must be difficult for a mega corporation, but for companies like us, who have hundreds of repos but only 20 of them are regularly used, and concurrent read/write is relatively light -- considering our largest team is less than 20 persons, so even if all of them are reading/writing from the repo, it doesn't seem to be a huge issue.

Even for a bigger company, say 5x developers (we have about 100+ SWEs and maybe 10-20 other titles who use GitHub), is it really a big thing to self host their own repos? External applications are definitely on another level because you could have hundreds of concurrent visits easily.

What did I miss?

That's like 100,000 USD. I keep thinking about making a rap video wearing a 10 TB gold chain surrounded by big booty girls with their naughty bits covered in m.2 SSD's while dissing the AI industry. Though I cant afford the RAM :-/

Not a chance. I think you need to spend some time in low ball corporate IT. It's just monkeys throwing faeces at the wall. We only just levered them off subversion...

(I use Fossil 100% offline for personal projects for ref)

Not really. I've been around a while. Git for about 15 years. Subversion before that. Perforce before that. rcs before that (back down to sun3 machines). Mostly Fossil now for personal things.

What I am saying is that people learn as much as they need to. They generally don't need to know any more git than is required to interact with github. If anything problematic comes up, they go in with a wrecking ball because they don't truly understand what they are doing. And git has a lot of wrecking balls available.

If you threw them at raw git and asked them to collaborate with someone they'd be up shit creek. They have no idea how SSH or email works for example.

I'd rather recommend Forgejo (a fork of Gitea developed under the auspices of Codeberg e.V.) instead. The way in which Gitea broke the trust of the community seems like it probably should be avoided nowadays.