frontpage.
newsnewestaskshowjobs

Made with ♥ by @iamnishanth

Open Source @Github

fp.

Open in hackernews

EU chief says EU should abandon caution after Bessent calls Denmark 'irrelevant'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/jan/21/europe-donald-trump-davos-speech-greenland-denmark-latest-updates
47•akyuu•1h ago

Comments

usrnm•1h ago
I'm sure that every polititian in the EU is deeply concerned, isn't it enough?
kasperni•1h ago
Irrelevant?? Millions of obese Americans will disagree.
dboreham•1h ago
At first I thought you meant bacon. But then remembered decent bacon like from Denmark is illegal in the US. Then I realized what you mean. But Lilly makes the same drug so probably not a practical issue.
expedition32•1h ago
I feel bad for Xi Jinping the man has been non stop drinking champagne for the last 2 years.
reallymental•1h ago
The aggressive nature of the response drops off a cliff after the second paragraph. Hard to take all this seriously.
oytis•1h ago
Cautiously abandon caution
dybber•1h ago
Escalate to deescalate.

Trump doesn’t understand that Greenland is a ~country~ self-gorverning territory in itself in the Kingdom of Denmark. Just like Australia is country in itself in the Commonwealth.

England would never be able to sell Australia to the US, just as we in Denmark are not able to sell Greenland.

The only way forward is trade war it seems and it would be better to escalate it quickly in order for Trump to understand the message.

utilize1808•1h ago
I don't understand. Are you implying that Greenland can decide to sell itself then?
hermanzegerman•1h ago
They can, but they made abundantly clear that they don't want have anything to do with the US
master-lincoln•59m ago
Countries can be sold?
tjpnz•53m ago
Not in a meaningful way which Greenlanders would submit to. There would be constant unrest and civil disobedience, nothing would function, and bringing in your own people (including the armed forces) to keep things barely working wouldn't be a solution either.
hopelite•46m ago
It happens all the time. America and the EU are bought and paid for. The funniest part is that they’re being paid for with the very money the buyers plunder with the left hand, only to use the right hand to purchase the treasonous dominant class.

It’s like a sleight of hand magic trick pulled on an infant that is then gleeful for the deception.

dybber•54m ago
Greenlanders could vote to be completely independent, yes. That is the situation right now.

However, Trump has done everything to turn Greenlanders away, and not done anything to convince them of independence would be good for them, so a vote for independence will likely fail catastrophically right now. Independence is many decades away, as they would really have to build a stronger economy to make it happen, but that is the direction Greenlanders would like to go, at least if you asked them 2 years ago.

mikkupikku•1h ago
France could do an atmospheric nuclear test. That would probably wake the senile idiot up.
microtonal•56m ago
I am happy that some Hacker News commenters are not running countries. One wacko is more than enough.

The risks are totally not worth it and there are a million better ways to increase pressure (like the trade bazooka).

mikkupikku•32m ago
Literally Hitler is murdering civilians in broad daylight and threatening to start WW3 by invading friendly territories! Oh but also, we should stay calm and issue strongly worded statements and trade declarations.

This is an incoherent position. If the threat is as real as claimed, a simple weapon test should be merited. France's official nuclear doctrine permits first strikes anyway.

baxtr•1h ago
If you’re part of an independent kingdom can you decide to become part of another kingdom?

Asking for an kingdom I know.

epolanski•54m ago
Sadly we, the "good guys", created a dangerous precedent in the balkans when Kosovo unilaterally split from Serbia, under foreign (NATO) occupation moreover.

International law does not promote nor support unilateral secessions. If a region or autonomous republic wants to secede it should only do so in accordance to the host country laws. E.g. the Quebec and Scotland referendums were made in accordance to the host countries of Canada and UK.

But then we created that dangerous case where now every region can secede from their host one unilaterally, even if it's occupied by foreign forces. And in practice, the "legality" of it, really depends on international recognition and the undergoing narratives.

International laws have always been pleasantries, as there's no real ways to enforce them, but there were powerful incentives for everybody to play by the rules.

baxtr•48m ago
Thank you.

This is a very insightful answer to my snarky cynic comment.

And you’re right, of course. We dug our own grave.

oytis•23m ago
It's hardly a precedent, probably half of the countries worldwide have been formed by seceding from some other country against its will. U.S. would be in this half.
epolanski•15m ago
It's the first country to do so under foreign military presence since UN inception.

The only precedents of unilateral secession were Slovenia and Croatia from Yugoslavia and Bangladesh from Pakistan but none did so under foreign military presence.

Citizen_Lame•5m ago
Lol. Nice ruso-serbian bot.

Kosovo was helped to avoid another genocide.

aebtebeten•48m ago
You can even become your own kingdom (see california, Hawaii, texas, ...) before becoming part of another kingdom.

It may not be straightforward, however; as Linebarger states:

> Formally, war may be defined as the "reciprocal application of violence by public, armed bodies."

> If it is not reciprocal, it is not war, the killing of persons who do not defend themselves is not war, but slaughter, massacre, or punishment.

> If the bodies involved are not public, their violence is not war. Even our enemies in World War II were relatively careful about this distinction, because they did not know how soon or easily a violation of the rules might be scored against them. To be public, the combatants need not be legal—that is, constitutionally set up; it suffices, according to international usage, for the fighters to have a reasonable minimum of numbers, some kind of identification, and a purpose which is political. If you shoot your neighbor, you will be committing mere murder; but if you gather twenty or thirty friends, together, tie a red handkerchief around the left arm of each man, announce that you are out to overthrow the government of the United States, and then shoot your neighbor as a counterrevolutionary impediment to the new order of things, you can have the satisfaction of having waged war. (In practical terms, this means that you will be put to death for treason and rebellion, not merely for murder.)

> ...

Note that this advice was from the mid-XX; in the XXI not all kingdoms seem to recognise the Geneva Conventions anymore!

These days it's probably a case of conjugating irregular verbs?

    I am a (dissident turned) freedom fighter
    You are a (perfidious) combatant
    They are (drug-running) terrorists
wqaatwt•58m ago
> Just like Australia is country in itself in the Commonwealth.

That’s really not even close. Greenland isn’t even remotely self sustainable without Danish funding. It also has MPs in the Danish parliament. So yes while it technically has self-rule it’s still effectively a colony

lm28469•55m ago
> So yes while it technically has self-rule it’s still effectively a colony

Being self sufficient or not isn't part of the definition of a colony

dybber•50m ago
I’m just trying to explain how absurd the proposition is seen from a Danish perspective, and why we from Danish side will continue to say no, as and refer to the same thing as our PM’s have said again and again: this is for Greenlandic people to decide. They would have to vote for it, but all the parties in Greenland are against joining the US.

So whatever proposal or threat of breaking down NATO that Trump will come up with will be met with a no from Danish politicians. It is simply not for them to decide. His only option seen from a Danish perspective is to use the military.

macmac•58m ago
Greenland is not a country, it is a self-governing territory within the Kingdom of Denmark.
dybber•47m ago
I will correct that, but my point stands that we in Denmark just can’t sell Greenland. It is not for us to decide the future of Greenland.
pzo•44m ago
Its so bad that these day such posts are flagged in HN and you cannot have any discussion about it. Feels like censorship and HN not doing anything about it to be at least transparent about providing some stats how many times something got flagged and how flagging algorithm works so we at least have some confidence that it's not abused by bots
tjpnz•40m ago
I seem to remember having the ability to vouch for submissions like I can comments. But it's never an option for these. Why?
tledakis•18m ago
we probably need a european HN equivalent