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Spanish track was fractured before high-speed train disaster, report finds

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1m77dmxlvlo
36•Rygian•1h ago

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rokkamokka•28m ago
Wow, that's a really big gap. No wonder it derailed
montroser•27m ago
What are the some of the ways that tracks are monitored for fractures like this? It must have been pretty substantial in order to be described as "complete lack of continuity". Makes me think of literally electronic continuity tests -- are those ever used in this context? Or how about cameras mounted on trains using image processing? Or drones?

It seems a shame that a few other trains passed beforehand with this anomaly in place and yet it went undetected.

sigwinch28•24m ago
Measurement trains filled with cameras and LIDAR

For example, in the U.K.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Measurement_Train

amelius•22m ago
There are special trains with measurement equipment on board, but yes, it sounds to me like every train should be equipped with some basic sensors for anomaly detection.
gambutin•21m ago
AFAIK, one technique for monitoring cracks uses ultrasonic sensors. They send sound waves through the rails and detect cracks by analyzing reflected waves.
amelius•24m ago
My gut feeling says a lot of fatalities could have been prevented with a physical barrier between both tracks. Shouldn't this be mandatory with high speed trains?
woodruffw•15m ago
I think the physics of the situation don't make a barrier feasible: a derailed train going >100 mph is going to transfer a lot of energy to any kind of barrier it impacts, which in turn might exacerbate the situation (by spreading debris).

I think these kinds of accidents are largely mitigated by rail defect monitoring. I know rails in the US are equipped with defect detectors for passing trains; I'm surprised that a similar system doesn't exist for the rails themselves. Or more likely, one does exist and the outcome of this tragedy will be a lesson about operational failures.

peddling-brink•15m ago
I’d rather they spent the money ensuring no trains ever left their tracks rather than halving the destruction if they do.
david-gpu•23m ago
While these events are statistically very rare, it is worth remembering that there have been two separate events in the past twenty years in Spain where high-speed trains have derailed leading to multiple fatalities [1][2]. In contrast, the Japanese Shinkansen has a spotless record since its introduction in the 1960s [3]. Not a single fatality due to a crash or derailment. And that's in a country with a much larger population and much higher passenger count per year.

What do they do differently?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_de_Compostela_derailm...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Adamuz_train_derailments

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinkansen#Safety_record

vlovich123•23m ago
Track maintenance?
amenghra•17m ago
Higher passenger count could imply ability to pass higher maintenance budgets?
throwaway743950•11m ago
Could weather or some other geographic/similar aspect be a factor?
dinkblam•9m ago
Spain basically does not do the required maintenance:

https://www.reuters.com/world/spains-deadly-rail-accidents-p...

cromka•6m ago
I think even more important is the seismic activity in Japan asa risk factor here

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