Why did we make just an infrared telescope then? Why don't go into even lower frequencies, surely we would detect something too if we just look?
XorNot•46m ago
Lower frequencies are microwaves and radio waves. We already have the square kilometer array.
jacques_morin•26m ago
The lower the frequency, the larger the wavelength and thus the larger the cupola needed to detect it. That's why radiotelescopes are on earth, they are HUGE.
metalman•24m ago
"just an infrared telescope"
how about you go make yourself conversant with "just" the technical requirements of the main cryogenic pump onboard, leaving out the rest of the thermal management systems for whatever remains of your life, which will have to long in order to fail honorably.
nasretdinov•20m ago
Sorry, I didn't mean it's easy to build, far from it :). I meant "just infrared" in terms of frequency — why not go further? Is there a gap between the current infrared and radio on Earth?
Sharlin•20m ago
Because near/mid infrared has many uses other than high-z objects, and it’s been something of a relative blind spot to us until now, although before Webb we did have Spitzer.
For far IR/submillimeter observations we had Herschel in space, SOFIA in the stratosphere (flying on a 747), and several large terrestrial telescopes at very high altitudes can also observe at FIR/submm wavelengths. But sure, there are likely many astronomers who would love nothing more than a new spaceborne FIR telescope, given that it’s been more than a decade since Herschel’s end of mission, and SOFIA was also retired in 2022.
For microwave we’ve had several space telescopes (COBE, then WMAP, then Planck), mainly designed to map the cosmic microwave background. That’s the farthest and reddest that you can see in any EM band, 300,000 years after the big bang.
For microwave and longer, that’s the domain of radio astronomy, with entirely different technology needed. We have huge radio telescope arrays on the ground – the atmosphere is fairly transparent to radio so there’s no pressing reason to launch radio telescopes to space, and their size would make it completely infeasible anyway, at least until some novel low-mass, self-unfolding antenna technology.
reedf1•19m ago
It's safe to say that if we are sticking a 6-ton 20ft mirror into space that the scientists probably have a reason for it...
317070•6m ago
I love the finding, but I really like the first sentence on their abstract: "JWST has revealed a stunning population of bright galaxies at surprisingly early epochs, z>10, where few such sources were expected."
Unless stunning has a technical meaning I'm unaware of, I like this approach of starting a technical paper with something less dry.
nasretdinov•53m ago
XorNot•46m ago
jacques_morin•26m ago
metalman•24m ago
how about you go make yourself conversant with "just" the technical requirements of the main cryogenic pump onboard, leaving out the rest of the thermal management systems for whatever remains of your life, which will have to long in order to fail honorably.
nasretdinov•20m ago
Sharlin•20m ago
For far IR/submillimeter observations we had Herschel in space, SOFIA in the stratosphere (flying on a 747), and several large terrestrial telescopes at very high altitudes can also observe at FIR/submm wavelengths. But sure, there are likely many astronomers who would love nothing more than a new spaceborne FIR telescope, given that it’s been more than a decade since Herschel’s end of mission, and SOFIA was also retired in 2022.
For microwave we’ve had several space telescopes (COBE, then WMAP, then Planck), mainly designed to map the cosmic microwave background. That’s the farthest and reddest that you can see in any EM band, 300,000 years after the big bang.
For microwave and longer, that’s the domain of radio astronomy, with entirely different technology needed. We have huge radio telescope arrays on the ground – the atmosphere is fairly transparent to radio so there’s no pressing reason to launch radio telescopes to space, and their size would make it completely infeasible anyway, at least until some novel low-mass, self-unfolding antenna technology.
reedf1•19m ago