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Amazon holds engineering meeting following AI-related outages

https://www.ft.com/content/7cab4ec7-4712-4137-b602-119a44f771de
25•petethomas•1h ago

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o10449366•54m ago
Paywalled
techterrier•44m ago
paste headline into google, click first link
kqr•41m ago
Huh, it has to be Google, specifically, too! There used to be a shortcut for this action on HN (a link under the submission saying "web" or something?), but it seems that has been removed.
potetoooooo•39m ago
nice domain
mediumsmart•34m ago
Is it only 45 dollars for the subscription? Does that cover the AI-related outages too or just the engineering meeting
palmotea•30m ago
> Amazon’s ecommerce business has summoned a large group of engineers to a meeting on Tuesday for a “deep dive” into a spate of outages, including incidents tied to the use of AI coding tools.

> The online retail giant said there had been a “trend of incidents” in recent months, characterised by a “high blast radius” and “Gen-AI assisted changes” among other factors, according to a briefing note for the meeting seen by the FT.

> Under “contributing factors” the note included “novel GenAI usage for which best practices and safeguards are not yet fully established”.

> “Folks, as you likely know, the availability of the site and related infrastructure has not been good recently,” Dave Treadwell, a senior vice-president at the group, told employees in an email, also seen by the FT.

VirusNewbie•28m ago
GenAI at fault, and nothing to do with amazon laying off 30k people and having an overall shitty culture where people mostly don’t want to stay?
jiggawatts•22m ago
Also, managers are incentivised to force AI onto the remaining staff to “boost productivity” but of course they won’t accept any of the responsibility or blame for that decision.
aerhardt•21m ago
Maybe both, and possibly other causes too, but allow us a moment to revel in the schadenfreude of AI code slop at hyperscale, will you?
wiseowise•26m ago
Hold a meeting?! No way! That’s a news worthy material!

Seriously, who even cares? It’s probably going to be “guys be careful but also continue to push slop kthx”.

kerim-ca•18m ago
Full Article

Amazon’s ecommerce business has summoned a large group of engineers to a meeting on Tuesday for a “deep dive” into a spate of outages, including incidents tied to the use of AI coding tools.

The online retail giant said there had been a “trend of incidents” in recent months, characterised by a “high blast radius” and “Gen-AI assisted changes” among other factors, according to a briefing note for the meeting seen by the FT.

Under “contributing factors” the note included “novel GenAI usage for which best practices and safeguards are not yet fully established”.

“Folks, as you likely know, the availability of the site and related infrastructure has not been good recently,” Dave Treadwell, a senior vice-president at the group, told employees in an email, also seen by the FT.

The note ahead of Tuesday’s meeting did not specify which particular incidents the group planned to discuss.

Amazon’s website and shopping app went down for nearly six hours this month in an incident the company said involved an erroneous “software code deployment”. The outage left customers unable to complete transactions or access functions such as checking account details and product prices.

Treadwell, a former Microsoft engineering executive, told employees that Amazon would focus its weekly “This Week in Stores Tech” (TWiST) meeting on a “deep dive into some of the issues that got us here as well as some short immediate term initiatives” the group hopes will limit future outages.

He asked staff to attend the meeting, which is normally optional.

Junior and mid-level engineers will now require more senior engineers to sign off any AI-assisted changes, Treadwell added.

Amazon said the review of website availability was “part of normal business” and it aims for continual improvement.

“TWiST is our regular weekly operations meeting with a specific group of retail technology leaders and teams where we review operational performance across our store,” the company said.

Separately, the company’s cloud computing arm — Amazon Web Services — has suffered at least two incidents linked to the use of AI coding assistants, which the company has been actively rolling out to its staff.

AWS suffered a 13-hour interruption to a cost calculator used by customers in mid-December after engineers allowed the group’s Kiro AI coding tool to make certain changes, and the AI tool opted to “delete and recreate the environment”, the FT previously reported.

Amazon previously said the incident in December was an “extremely limited event” affecting only a single service in parts of mainland China. Amazon added that the second incident did not have an impact on a “customer facing AWS service”.

The FT previously reported multiple Amazon engineers said their business units had to deal with a higher number of “Sev2s” — incidents requiring a rapid response to avoid product outages — each day as a result of job cuts.

Amazon has undertaken multiple rounds of lay-offs in recent years, most recently eliminating 16,000 corporate roles in January. The group has disputed the claim that headcount cuts were responsible for an increase in recent outages.

scuff3d•9m ago
Gonna see a lot more of this in the coming years. The real cost of LLM tools has a delay. Devs don't tend to notice it until they're neck deep in code then don't understand, swearing the next prompt will get them out. CEOs won't notice until it starts costing them money, and that of course assumes anyone will be willing to admit it. Lot of people have their careers on the line spending a metric shit ton of money on untested tools.
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