I was sick about this before y'all because I was involved in three efforts to try to commercialize foundation models before the technology was ready.

Most of all I am sick of people being sick of it!

Unfortunate that it took so long for you to realize social networks are just a river of outrage and slop, because it has literally always been so for a decade before AI even became a thing - it's just that now AI has made the cheapness immediately visible.

Enjoy your newfound freedom and live a real life.

I don't mind AI. What I don't like is the complete saturation of communication channels with the same mainstream ideas and products over and over. This started long before AI slop.

What's "AI"?

(I'm going to guess you mean generative AI such as image/video/text generation used to create slop on Facebook, but I really wish posts like this would clarify.)

I love AI and LLMs.

I love all computer technology except printers.

Gimme more - looking forward to further leaps forward in AL and LLMs - the party has just started.

One problem is that when people delegate tasks to AI, they don't themselves learn anything from doing the task -- not just in the general sense of personal improvement, but in the very concrete sense of "what is it that was produced".

Before AI, when someone showed you a presentation or an Excel sheet, even if it was complete horseshit that they had made up, they knew what was in it: they knew more about it than you, by definition.

Now, not so much; people output things they know nothing about, and when they show it to you they are discovering it just as you are.

This is novel, and discomforting.

well this is overdue

I took compliance training today and the "actors" and voices were AI.

After watching the GPT images release video, it reenforced my skepticism that society will adapt. Then I thought about AI analysis of people's movements in public and realized that governments already capture everything, and now will be able to use infinite AI surveillance agents to watch all things all the time.

Any disobedience or crime (but really only against the government and gentry) can be instantly investigated by asking AI to analyze the behavior of all people and vehicles in the days prior to and after the incident. That's if they can't identify you immediately at the time of the crime.

When the time comes that civilian disorder is required to change the behavior of government, it will be impossible.

AI is the destruction of individual freedom. It is the destruction of citizens' ability to rebel against power.

We would be far better off without it.

I think after the initial euphoria dies down, and the models reach a capability plateau, the use cases will start to come to fore.

I am an experienced developer, and, if I know what I am doing, then AI tools are an average junior programmer that I can beckon.

I have also dabbled in music creation with AI, first generating the lyrics, and then the music with vocals. Is it good. Nope. Is it average, some might say so. Is it a great use of my time, sure. Like a paid video game.

I think this is a problem unique to facebook / meta. I mean the camera roll has a dedicated "ai images" at the top instead of... your active camera like every other app.

This all started with zucks obsession with virtual avatars and you can really see this in VR.

There is no future for AI doomers.

I think we’ll look back on this period as The Great Enshittification where everyone ran out of ideas but capitalism demands growth so everything just got worse. The mass manufacturing of mediocre AI content might be the force that ends the digital era and maybe we’ll all just go outside again.

I get your frustration.

I do not dislike AI. It has potential to change and improve the human condition. With that being said, it has its downsides with workforce displacement being at the top of the list, for me at least. Unemployment, however, has been prevalent in the US for many decades, mostly due to political maneuvering of previous politicians. AI has just made things a bit more difficult for the workforce, especially the recent generations who were already dealing with unemployment due to unmarketable degrees from colleges. I am not ashamed to say that, though I've been in tech for years, I am one of those statistics, unfortunately.

To fix this, AI companies should refocus their goals to account for the displacement of human roles as they continue to improve AIs. They should start doing that sooner rather than later.

The reality is that AI already does things better than some humans ever could. From what some individuals have been telling me, in education, for example, AI is already disrupting the classrooms. Teachers are feeling the AI-burn in the already declining education sector.

Though, I see a decline in human creativity and influence due to AI, I myself have used it to learn certain OS-related concepts or tweaks that would have normally taken me months to figure out had I focused solely on google searches, reddit threads and similar.

If I could do more, I would but I am limited by the lack of better, powerful hardware with the price being what they are.

I block YouTube channels if I see they use AI slop as their thumbnail image and certainly if they use AI voices once the video starts playing. (This is only feasible because I already select from a highly curated subset of YouTube that generally doesn't use AI.)

I'm looking at engineering job specs at the moment and it's very wearisome that every company seems to have pivoted from highlighting the unique value they provide to customers to putting AI front and centre in their employer branding. My eyes immediately glaze over at what may have been the result of "Claude, take this HR/marketing/whatever copy and inject some AI".

I've adopted the tools because they're useful, but businesses need to chill. AI seems to amplify existing bottlenecks within organisations, so we should probably tread carefully when it comes to pushing the tech. Fix the organisational problems first and hedge our bets.

I wonder if anyone reading this was around during the dot-com bubble because maybe it felt the same...

Yes, a lot of posts on HN are also about AI. Used to have more variety.

I noticed recently that there are new "AI Widget" and "Chat Widget" EasyList filters in the uBlock Origin Annoyances filter lists. I'm not sure when they were added but they weren't checked by default for me. They definitely help clear some of the clutter.

Facebook especially is bad because I don't think Zuck cares. His entire personal history is shady. People have been missing posts for YEARS, well beyond the last few years when it got really bad

Oh and messages https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6090712

Hear, hear, friend, you might have missed web 2.0. Oh web 2.0. The designers like myself were so sick of this nonsense.

AI is the same, but amplified and affecting a lot more people.

So I just recall Web 2.0 era and know that this too, shall pass.

I'm working with AI since early 00's and it was a lot of fan of this with very little community of an artificial neural networks developers. Now AI is widely available and used by people with discussable level of intelligence to generate tons of slop, so all the internet looks like a big trash bin.

Nothing makes me hit that close button faster than those fake voices everywhere now. That overly polished narrator on every other TikTok, half the YouTube videos read by the same auto-tuned robot (that apparently people over 60 can't tell is a robot). And don't get me started on streamers with like a confidence voice filter. Fuck all that noise.

And it's only going to get worse. Is this what getting old feels like? Hating everything the rest of society is racing to embrace? I keep waiting for the backlash, for people to get sick of the plastic sheen on everything, but they conveyor belt just keeps moving. Maybe I'm just turning into my parents griping about all the weird music videos on MTV? =P

There's incredible opportunity in the stuff that is missing, which is a wonderful thing.

The linear function do not work any more - we'll all deal with AI on some level, handwritten programs would be like assembly programs, there will be some, but not many.

But everyone is currently focused on the second derivative - using AI to further AI stuff - that's a valid goal but not in of itself, AI is just a tool, a tool that gets better is still a tool. It still needs to build something other than itself.

First derivative is where the money is. Let me grab this tool and do something useful/fun with it. Thanks for the fierce competition to build me the best tool in the mean time.

Like adding erosion to this hydrology simulator that I felt too complex a few years ago: https://aperocky.com/hydrosim

Unironically the best method to implement that browser feature you're looking for is probably also AI. Which tells a meta-story, AI isn't a new feature it's also a new medium. It can be used to turn cave speak into works of literature just as easily as it can turn voluminous spew into one liners (Ed Zitron just popped into mind for some reason). You can't ignore it once it exists, but it sounds like the problem you have genuinely can be solved by it, and I expect over the next decade we'll see a lot more of exactly that.

Here's to reading HN projected through the lens of manga comic strips sometime after we solve the GPU shortage..

AI slop everywhere on social is terrible; I grant you that.

But AI tool in the hands of professionals that care about what they produce is becoming revolutionary. We are doing things we would never have done. Projects I never would have even started I am doing with new enthusiasm. I and the people I work with are using agents to learn new topics so fast. AI makes mistakes all the time, I found myself getting gaslit last week that refreshing my auth token would update my permissions (authentication and authorization are not the same thing)

If you are just looking at the output in images and garbage posts. Yes it is an abomination that must be stopped. But I cannot imagine a world without it now. And for the better.

Right behind you.