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It's time to reclaim the word "Palantir" for JRR Tolkien

https://www.zig.art/p/its-time-to-reclaim-the-word-palantir
44•IdahoSpring•1h ago

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bigyabai•1h ago
Palantir is decently self-descriptive, Anduril is the word that needs reclaiming.
Carioca•17m ago
I mean, could be accurate if they deliver the drones broken
getmoheb•10m ago
Anduril was its reforged name, right?. It was Narsil before that
jdross•8m ago
Flame of the West? Seems like a pretty apropos name for an American defense company
ggm•1h ago
Arguments about symbols and words are Godwin's law transcribed. It's a descent into past times and the current meaning of things more benign at the origin.

On the LOTR theme there's an old re-reading which projects the Orcs as exploited workers, the elvish wars as battles amongst ubermensch.

threatofrain•36m ago
Palantir already has the blessings of the Tolkien estate. All the Tolkien-sounding companies in recent news have the blessings of the Tolkien estate.
colordrops•25m ago
so?
threatofrain•20m ago
When we seek to "reclaim" something, will we be reclaiming from the offspring of Tolkien?
walrus01•18m ago
Being biologically descended from Tolkien doesn't mean they're necessarily nice people, or aren't simply motivated by earning as much revenue from the legacy as possible.
gamerslexus•17m ago
> The stones were an unreliable guide to action, since what was not shown could be more important than what was selectively presented. A risk lay in the fact that users with sufficient power could choose what to show and what to conceal to other stones: in The Lord of the Rings, a palantír has fallen into the Enemy's hands, making the usefulness of all other existing stones questionable.
incr_me•11m ago
> ... the betrayal of the legacy of Tolkien ...

Today's world is the legacy of Tolkien. We've come to understand the world through the categories of Tolkien, without which we could not bear to act. We can act out a disavowal of Palantir, but we'd be disavowing Lord of the Rings at the same time. It's not like Tolkien ever overturned the palantir, he only went as far as to show the palantir to be politically dangerous, much like Bush and Obama saw sanctions against Iran. Tolkien never achieved a full critique. He stops at the point of a liberal plurality of knowledge (hobbits have experiential/ethical knowledge, elves have cultural preservation, wizards have lore/interpretation) so that no single group has a monopoly on truth, and they're all locked within their racial categories. He never writes about the erosion of race and the universalization of knowledge.

You should read Tolkien to understand Palantir. This business of "reclaiming" amounts to disavowal of reality.

IdahoSpring•4m ago
Did you read the article? the proposal is to learn from the significance of the word and to use it as a generic term denoting it's original purpose, to define more than one firm's tech but a whole class of firms.
gamerslexus•4m ago
> He never writes about the erosion of race and the universalization of knowledge.

Who said that erosion of race and universalization of knowledge is a good thing? Isn't it better to have a more diverse set of subspecies with different ways of seeing reality than only one?

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