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Linux 7.1 Removes Drivers for Bus Mouse Support

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-7.1-Input
30•speckx•2h ago

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whalesalad•1h ago
that pee stained microsoft mouse is really sending this home
thekid314•1h ago
That's the next Apple Neo color for you.
cptskippy•6m ago
I'm sure that photo was chosen rather deliberately to garner support from a wide cross selection of grey beards.
bastawhiz•1h ago
This is the kind of spring cleaning I crave. Deleting busted drivers that haven't worked in over a decade? Fantastic!

Some of this hardware likely has exactly zero users because the material it's made from can't possibly have survived. Look at the cord on the mouse in the photo: you might be able to plug it in, but I wouldn't bet money signal can still make it down the wire.

trollbridge•37m ago
My bus mouse still works just fine; things built in the 80s tended to be pretty solid.

However, it would be hard pressed to find a machine with ISA slots with enough resources to run Linux 7.1 acceptably.

cestith•26m ago
There are still ISA slots in new systems with fairly modern processors and plenty of RAM, if you don’t mind buying specific models of industrial PCs for way too much money.

For $1100 or so you, too, could have a 4th generation Core i3 machine. https://www.rampcsystems.com/product/2-isa-slot

Or maybe you need 4 PCI and 9 ISA for some reason. DuroPC’s got you, if you can drop $1800 on a system with the same generation of processor. https://duropc.com/product/r810-4p9i-4

M95D•19m ago
ISA slots are all identical. If you have one slot, you can multiply it to 100 slots just by connecting the wires.
cestith•8m ago
That’s one of those facts that’s always good to know, but in practice people tend to put one card in one slot with no expanders.
estimator7292•24m ago
Most things.

Plastics and rubbers tend to not survive well a lot of the time just because of the chemistry. There's really no way around plastic embrittlement and rubber decomposing. You can prolong it with the right storage conditions, but those molecules are gonna break down sooner or later.

FpUser•18m ago
My Z840 server I use for self hosting has both bus original IBM keyboard and bus mouse attached. Either works just fine.
kube-system•4m ago
The mouse in the photo was made somewhere between 1987-1993. I have computers older than that which work just fine.
flohofwoe•1h ago
Raises the question whether a bug in code that's never called actually exists ;)
rationalist•1h ago
schrödinbug?

https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/9697...

advisedwang•28m ago
Code that is never normally used can sometimes still be gotten to run by an attacker, and therefore can still be a security risk.
M95D•9m ago
But that code would have to be selected in menuconfig, compiled, and the module loaded. I assume that nobody does that for bus mice, and even if someone, by mistake, selects one of the drivers, that's 1 machine in a billion. Who would target that?

Same argument for any retro-tech. What hacker would spend hours/days to hack my bare-metal DOS box running Arachne + a packet driver just to mine bitcoins on a K6-2 for a couple of hours until I turn it off from the AT power switch (not button).

xiphias2•48m ago
Microkernels have lost the open kernel wars because of their speed problems, but this is a great example of a driver that should have been running in userspace a long time ago, just like how Windows has been moving in that direction.

Isn't Linux planning to do the same?

augusto-moura•18m ago
I guess things are going into that direction naturally, but not officially. eBPF is helping with getting deep kernel aspects into userspace. And there's some ressurgence of out-of-tree graphics drivers, specially for gaming.

I believe userspace drivers are much more powerful and easy to build than 10 years ago, but it is not from a requirement from the kernel.

Who knows, maybe we will get a smaller (instead of bigger) kernel in 10-20 years

clifflocked•32m ago
If anyone is curious, here is the actual commit that removed the drivers: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/lin...
mongol•2m ago
What is a bus mouse? Is it using the old PS/2 port?

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