anti-DEI is basically just a work program for Christian MAGA white men. A lot of the people running the country now really do believe that things were better before women and minorities got rights.
SilverElfin•1h ago
I disagree. MAGA may be a movement for Christian white men and they may have used the anti DEI energy for their own form of discrimination.
But the reason there is an anti-DEI camp at all, is because DEI is fundamentally a discriminatory movement that resulted in systemic racism and sexism at many companies, universities, and governments. It’s wrong and has to go.
krapp•1h ago
The "anti-DEI camp" is basically entirely MAGA and MAGA-adjacent bigots.
It would be one thing if they were actually arguing for actual equality in hiring (which wouldn't bias for or against any race or gender - under the naive belief that no implicit bias exists to begin with) but one can very easily tell by their dialogue that they believe all people of color and all women are fundamentally unqualified by default and that a "fair" playing field would, in their view, reflect white supremacist and patriarchal ideals.
There is no "anti-DEI" movement to speak of otherwise. As with so many other "anti-woke" movements, it's bigots all the way down.
ocdtrekkie•1h ago
The problem with this fiction is it's easily testable: Trump has repeatedly fired eminently qualified individuals who happen to be women or people of color in favor of idiots who are white men that run podcasts or he watched on TV.
America, in fact, chose a senile real estate developer with no political qualifications who is a rapist and pedophile over an insanely overqualified Black woman who has worked her entire career in government, having worked in the executive, legislative, and judicial branches at the federal, state, and local levels.
You really can't prove systemic racism and sexism any more clearly than that.
Dig1t•1h ago
The head of my org (SWE) at Apple gave a speech at an all hands last year. To quote him:
“At the top of an offer form are 2 boxes, one that says a woman was interviewed for the role, and one that says a person of color was interviewed. I have said that I will not sign off on an offer unless there’s a check next to those boxes.”
This is textbook racial discrimination and literally against the letter and spirit of the civil rights act.
DEI is truly just repackaged institutional racism, and opposing it is the right side of history.
clipsy•1h ago
That sounds simplistic and worthy of criticism in some ways, but how is it "textbook racial discrimination"? You're jumping from "they were required to interview a person of color" to "they discriminated against white people" without demonstrating the latter, and judging by the statistical overrepresentation of white people in powerful roles it doesn't hold water. All this does is force the hiring manager to interview a more diverse set of candidates; the expectation is still that the most qualified will ultimately be hired.
Edit: Actually, it does deserve criticism for assuming that there are white people and men in the interview pool, regardless of the fact that this is almost certainly true; a better approach (similar to what my own employer does) would be to require that the interview pool included candidates of at least two races and of both genders (or "at least two gender identities," if you prefer). Statistically, though, I'm not sure it makes a significant difference. Nevertheless, fair point.
guelo•1h ago
SilverElfin•1h ago
But the reason there is an anti-DEI camp at all, is because DEI is fundamentally a discriminatory movement that resulted in systemic racism and sexism at many companies, universities, and governments. It’s wrong and has to go.
krapp•1h ago
It would be one thing if they were actually arguing for actual equality in hiring (which wouldn't bias for or against any race or gender - under the naive belief that no implicit bias exists to begin with) but one can very easily tell by their dialogue that they believe all people of color and all women are fundamentally unqualified by default and that a "fair" playing field would, in their view, reflect white supremacist and patriarchal ideals.
There is no "anti-DEI" movement to speak of otherwise. As with so many other "anti-woke" movements, it's bigots all the way down.
ocdtrekkie•1h ago
America, in fact, chose a senile real estate developer with no political qualifications who is a rapist and pedophile over an insanely overqualified Black woman who has worked her entire career in government, having worked in the executive, legislative, and judicial branches at the federal, state, and local levels.
You really can't prove systemic racism and sexism any more clearly than that.
Dig1t•1h ago
“At the top of an offer form are 2 boxes, one that says a woman was interviewed for the role, and one that says a person of color was interviewed. I have said that I will not sign off on an offer unless there’s a check next to those boxes.”
This is textbook racial discrimination and literally against the letter and spirit of the civil rights act.
DEI is truly just repackaged institutional racism, and opposing it is the right side of history.
clipsy•1h ago
Edit: Actually, it does deserve criticism for assuming that there are white people and men in the interview pool, regardless of the fact that this is almost certainly true; a better approach (similar to what my own employer does) would be to require that the interview pool included candidates of at least two races and of both genders (or "at least two gender identities," if you prefer). Statistically, though, I'm not sure it makes a significant difference. Nevertheless, fair point.