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It’s Toasted

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24•dryadin•1h ago

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shevy-java•45m ago
I understand the comparison, and if it were up to me, Facebook (aka Meta) and so forth should be disbanded and chopped up at once. But ...

> Recent research shows that social media design features like infinite scroll and algorithmic feeds may encourage compulsive use and contribute to anxiety, depression, and social comparison.

So their design is addictive; not disagreeing. I think most of us know that, even as adults, how infinite scrolling on youtube for shorts, lead to a "just one more video" effect. But even with those shenanigans in mind, I simply do not see this anywhere on the same level as smoking. The health data with regards to smoking is all there, people lose about 10 years when smoking for a long time - at the least. You can find similar data points elsewhere, e. g. sumo wrestlers in Japan dying about 15 years earlier than the rest of the population. Those data points are absolutely significant. There is no way to deny that. But comparing this to the addictive scrolling or what not ... we don't have anywhere near similar data points.

That does not mean one should look at addictive design as anything but "innocent" or "harmless", but the comparison to smoking is simply not on a factual level. If anything Facebook should be eliminated for lobbying and bribes - we witness this right now when so many states push for age sniffing of everyone using the internet while concomitantly attacking VPNs. This is not accidental - this is deliberate. And the common lie is "but but but think anyone of the kids!!!".

pasquinelli•35m ago
i sort of want to defend the article because it isn't comparing the health effects of the tobacco industry and social media, but rather their pr strategies... but that being said the article is very weak, so i don't want to defend it.
haritha-j•34m ago
To be fair, if I doomscroll an hour a day for 50 years, I'd literally lose 2 years of my life. (1hr/day * 50 years)/24hrs = 2.1 years.
jaapz•9m ago
That's only fair when you think doomscrolling is the same as being literally dead.
weltensturm•27m ago
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2014-05-23-many-mental-illnesses-r...
the_gipsy•44m ago
Facebook. They're still Facebook to me. Rebrand all you want, you're just Facebook, incapable of doing anything beyond buying WhatsApp and Instagram.
Groxx•36m ago
And making them worse, let's not forget that.
thrownthatway•33m ago
They did conjure up some hardware along the way too.
Auzy•35m ago
They're not even moderating anymore
cermicelli•34m ago
Can we just, I mean just stop using and caring about most social media. Especially facebook, it offers no meaningful value. It's slow, obtuse and haven't made life better for anyone in the last decade I suppose.

Maybe whatsapp has some use, but otherwise what's even the point. I don't even have ads on whatsapp not yet anyways, I will get my family to switch when they do.

I don't care about you Meta/Facebook or whatever it is.

BLKNSLVR•23m ago
The problem is it that it has a helluva lot of momentum from normies. Easily enough to outweigh the resistance of the likes of you and me.

The only thing will break it is a better / easier alternative. And with enough success that will probably turn into the next big bad.

Kiro•16m ago
Easier said than done. You're still here, which is understandable since Hacker News is by far the most addictive one.
praptak•14m ago
You could make a similar noble call for everyone to just stop using cigarettes in 1950.

It would not work. What ultimately worked were laws designed to curb tobacco use combined with public education campaigns.

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