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There are now more ETFs than stocks in the US

https://www.apollo.com/wealth/the-daily-spark/more-etfs-than-stocks
26•akyuu•49m ago

Comments

anonu•43m ago
It's an irrelevant point because ETFs incorporate more than just US stocks. You have global stocks (tens of thousands), options (a million expirations), bonds (3 million cusips) , crypto, futures, and the list goes on. And it becomes a combinatorial exercise...

The article is pointing out the lack of publicly listed companies in the USA. But we also have private stock in ETFs now. And not to mention a handful of blockbuster IPOs on the horizon, like SPCX.

senordevnyc•16m ago
It also just seems like a bizarre thing to care about.

"There are more user playlists on Spotify than songs!"

Well yeah, of course there are?

3form•5m ago
Breaking news: Number of potential combinations of set elements rumored to _far exceeds_ the cardinality of said set! Populace baffled!
WarmWash•10m ago
I hope to god "investors" don't fall for the "blockbuster" IPO of SPCX.

Remember in 2008 when Standard and Poors was giving AAA ratings to junk CDOs at the investment banks behest?

SPCX isn't going to collapse the global financial markets, but the exact same shady rules changes and suspect IPO structure reeks of banks trying to pull the wool over retail's eyes.

Analemma_•4m ago
> I hope to god "investors" don't fall for the "blockbuster" IPO of SPCX.

Elon would never leave that to chance, he made sure it doesn't matter if investors "fall" for it or not by bullying the indexes into suspending their 1-year rules specifically to get SPCX (and everyone's 401k) bought in within 15 days. If you use indexes you're buying SPCX right out of the gate whether you like it or not.

chrismarlow9•5m ago
Yeah, ETF is a function of strategy, asset, financing methods and many other things. Varying leverage alone can multiply one ETF into 3 or 4. Other than showing that there's more risk in a collapse than just the single security I'm not sure what I'd do with this information.
Agreed3750•16m ago
Also worth your consideration:

The Rise of ETF Slop - Ben Felix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14V7q4gHKFo

john_strinlai•12m ago
i cannot wait for the word "slop" to leave the zeitgeist.
psvv•8m ago
I have a feeling "slop" is the new "spam" (etymologically) -- it could be with us for decades.
micromacrofoot•7m ago
be careful what you wish for, there's always some new awful thing to replace the old awful things
NDlurker•6m ago
I wonder when/where that started. My girlfriend's kid and her friends have been using the word slop for at least the last 5 years to refer to fast food.
doubledamio•1m ago
i cannot wait for the word zeitgeist to leave the zeitgeist.
oa335•12m ago
The number of ETFs isn't as relevant as the total % of funds invested in passive funds as opposed to single stocks or active funds.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5259427

> Passive capitalization-weighted index funds now surpass active management in aggregate investor allocations. Flows into passive strategies cause unrelated stocks to move synchronously, undermining diversification and potentially increasing systemic risk. New flows into passive products mechanically overweight overvalued stocks and underweight undervalued stocks due to market-price weighting, exacerbating momentum-driven price distortions. Rebalancing at the stock level to non-price-based anchor weights may mitigate these distortions and enhance long-term returns.

This is likely why large-cap stocks have outperformed over past decade.

steveBK123•7m ago
It is interesting and probably bad, however the problem is in practice exaggerated. That is because there are a long tail of ETFs with basically no AUM which get included.

Slicing at $1B AUM gets you down to about 1500 ETFs, and $10B AUM down to 350.

Avoid leveraged, inverse, active, and small ETFs as an investor and you'll be fine.

Apollo makes most of their money in private markets so they are happy to post public market FUD.

rwmj•4m ago
Question! Is there a counterparty risk with ETFs versus owning the equivalent fund that owns the same underlying stocks? (Assuming there is an ETF and fund that are approximately equivalent.) I trade about once a year, so there's no real benefit to me with ETFs, and I've always preferred funds.
kingstnap•2m ago
I'm surprised they don't dwarf them by orders of magnitude.

You can make arbitrarily random ETFs with all kinds of weird positions. Crypto, bonds, derivatives of all kinds, international stuff.

Plus you can give them funny names like $NANC.

Lerc•2m ago
Isn't that like saying there are more blog posts written than books.

Sure they are similar in that they are collections of words, but the significance of the total is not the count of how many there are, but rather their sum worth.

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