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OpenAI Losses Increased Nearly 8X in 2025, with Spending Hitting $34B

https://www.wheresyoured.at/exclusive-openai-financials/
25•spking•1h ago

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rvz•47m ago
They know it is a scam, but it doesn’t matter as it is now too late.

That ship has sailed long ago into the IPO sunset.

thereitgoes456•37m ago
That’s absurd. Why couldn’t it still fail, especially when their last raise was at 20x revenue or more? These numbers are horrendous.
muglug•34m ago
Revenue went from $3.7B to $13.07B — roughly 3.5x.

Operating loss went from ~$8.8B to ~$20.9B — roughly 2.4x.

Doesn't seem like a domesday scenario.

JumpCrisscross•25m ago
> Doesn't seem like a domesday scenario

Ceteris paribus, those figures imply a $45bn loss this year, $90bn loss next year and $110bn loss in 2028 before breakeven in 2029.

That's $250bn of losses to be financed from 2026 onwards. (They raised ~$120bn, $25bn up front and the rest based on milestones. So Another ~$125bn uncovered.) That only works if OpenAI stays a fundraising darling. So not a doomsday sceanario. But perilous, and dependent on short-term trends extending into long-term curves.

HlessClaudesman•24m ago
This news matters because investors should prefer safer investments than: well at least it's not a "doomsday scenario" grade.
minimaxir•21m ago
Tell that to the SpaceX investors.
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pinkmuffinere•19m ago
just for completeness, I think the closer analogue is probably total expenses: $12.48 billion to $34 billion -- roughly 2.7x. But this is still pretty close to what you said, so I don't particularly disagree with the numbers.

I do wonder if this comparison is really meaningful. It looks like if they can grow infinitely, then at some point they should be profitable. However, that's already a somewhat sad story ("in the limit as x->inf, we'll actually _make_ money!"). And there are of course limitations. Anthropic, Google, open models etc are all real competitors, and it seems to me that there will only be one winner. If openAI is losing money faster than the others, then it may not survive long enough to reach that eventual profitability. And finally, the human population is limited. There isn't a true infinity that the pattern can extend to. If we've only reached 10% of the TAM that's fine, but if we're at like 70% (which personally I suspect is about right), then this looks bad.

HlessClaudesman•20m ago
“I had a guaranteed military sale with ED 209, renovation program, spare parts for twenty-five years… Who cares if it worked or not?!?”
pinkmuffinere•18m ago
It's possible that I'm just not up to date with current news, but I'm having trouble connecting this quote to the article. Or really even understanding the quote at all. Can you elaborate?
HlessClaudesman•13m ago
The commenter above seems to be describing late stage capitalism, where businesses exist mainly to milk investors, as told by bad boy tech executive Dick Jones in by the 1980's action movie RoboCop.
nstart•10m ago
I'm a little confused here. Cost of revenue is lower than revenue. That's good. R&D is the main contributor to losses here and this seems normal in an industry like this. For OpenAI specifically, I think this is problematic. They were the first movers but despite the large R&D they've lost so much ground to Anthropic despite Anthropic seemingly gifting them with weird PR self owns. But if we were to extrapolate this to the industry as a whole, this seems more positive than negative. Am I reading this incorrectly? Unless there's an assumption that R&D costs have to forever go up in order to increase revenue, I feel like this shows that the AI industry is actually on a path to profitability in the long term.

Whether it can physically be as all encompassing as it makes itself out to be or whether it will just be healthily profitable remains to be seen. Kind of like how Uber went from "We'll autonomously drive the world" to "Look, we deliver food, goods, and people to locations and we figured out how to do that in a way that makes profits. Also, ads".

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