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The war against 'woke' could end US science as we know it

https://www.theverge.com/science/957630/omb-killing-science-budget-grants-research
13•rufo•1h ago

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rufo•1h ago
To be clear, while there is _specific_ language around DEI/gender identity, the actual language of parts of this goes far, far further, and essentially codifies giving political appointees explicit discretion over what gets funded and what conferences scientists with government funds can go to, and disallows any government money to go towards publishing research.
delichon•51m ago
> and essentially codifies giving political appointees explicit discretion over what gets funded

I approve of this. The people who make the funding decisions should be politically accountable. If you have a mental model of unappointed civil servants as detached, neutral, non-political entities, I can understand why you wouldn't. But I see them as just people, and I don't know anybody like that. I'd like the folks who make bad choices with tax dollars to be votable out of office along with their boss, rather than protected from accountability by layers of boards, laws and unions.

chillingeffect•35m ago
What's needed are democratically-agreed upon guidelines.

Yes if you suck at science, you can't get paid.

But if the subjects you study are politically inconvenient to the presently-in-charge admin, you should still be allowed to research them.

spwa4•1h ago
The picture of the flag being dissolved in acid is ... perhaps not the best way to convince the government to change course ...
SpicyLemonZest•1h ago
Citizens in a free society do not temper their criticisms for fear that "the government" might get mad about them. Donald Trump's science policy is destroying one of the key components of American power, and if he doesn't like people posting evocative images about that he'll have to get over it.
etrautmann•51m ago
The evocative image is of science destroying America, which is not the point the article is making.
SpicyLemonZest•42m ago
Ok, I guess that's fair.
etrautmann•52m ago
Yes this is the exact opposite of the message conveyed in the article. Terrible graphic and communication for an important topic
chillingeffect•4m ago
yes some of the provocative imagery is non-productive in public spheres outside private circles.

As a remedy, I recommend everyone on the left read George Lakoff's book "Don't Think of an Elephant." It's a guide for how to communicate effectively, especially to people who have a vastly different worldview from themselves.

He's been consulting to organizations for a long time and these books are the distillation of his knowledge in plain language.

Preview:

1. He makes an (obv simplified) model of left vs right communication as "nurturing parent" vs. "strict father." There is obvious overlap - it's a model, but you can see how much this explains as he develops it a bit further.

2. He talks about a "staining" or "triggering" effect when communicating. what does that mean? people have key words that instantly shut down their thought, preventing useful discussion. For example, immediately upon hearing the words "trans," conservatives might picture a man in a dress molesting someone in a bathroom. Similar for leftists when they hear a word like "corporation" or "business." So he teaches how to communicate without stumbling on these.

stackedinserter•56m ago
I will not miss "US science as we know it", at least that part of it that gave us terms like "menstruating people".
chrsw•55m ago
Religion used to be the biggest supporter of science. Then science surpassed religion in civilization relevancy. Now conservative politics is stepping up to the fight.

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