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Apple is getting this wrong

https://openai.com/index/apple-is-getting-this-wrong/
54•meetpateltech•1h ago

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dannyw•47m ago
Yay for more cherry-picked information.

A substantial amount of evidence in Apple's complaint isn't addressed, but what's shown here throws a decent amount of shade and doubt.

I have my popcorn ready for discovery. I hope it gets to that point, and I hope it proceeds to trial...

cube00•36m ago
I can't see a judge looking kindly on this being published prior to trial.

It's in court already, fight it there. Even if you win public opinion with your point of view you can still lose in court.

gene91•23m ago
Does US law prevent (or frown upon) defendant from publicly publishing evidence, even when the plaintiff publicly published the accusation and their evidence first? If so, how is the defendant supposed to protect their public reputation when a lawsuit is ongoing for years? Or maybe I’m missing your point on what wouldn’t be looked upon kindly?
cube00•20m ago
Two wrongs don't make a right, even if the plaintiff is playing dirty it doesn't give you the right to join in.

Assuming the exhibits aren't sealed they're publicly available as soon as they're entered by the court during trial.

If they're sealed there's probably a good reason they shouldn't be published until the trial is over.

prmoustache•34m ago
When I look at the imessage conversation, one thing strikes me: that guy looks to be using the same icloud account he used when working for Apple with OpenAI. Is he using his own personal account? Why do both Apple and OpenAI allow that in the first place, this look so amateur. I would have assumed each company would have opened a different account for him and locked him when leaving.

Is it standard practice at both Apple and OpenAI for employees to use their personal icloud account for work?

wodenokoto•31m ago
I have never worked at a place where they gave us corporate Apple accounts.

We’ve always been asked to use our personal Apple account to install apps used for work.

pjmlp•26m ago
Whereas I never worked in places where IT would not see that as a security violation.
prmoustache•17m ago
Same here
jzl•23m ago
I've heard multiple times directly from Apple employees that there is no way to login to iCloud on your work machine using a company-controlled account. Many people create new Apple ID's which they only use while working there, but others just use their personal iCloud accounts. You are, of course, not supposed to store company data in iCloud. But thanks to Apple's own efforts, it's difficult to use a Mac without being logged into iCloud (for example if you want to use the App store), and some data can easily spill into the iCloud account.

If accurate, it is of course patently absurd that Apple has left this an unsolved problem.

kennywinker•27m ago
This feels like a trumpian tantrum from someone at openai. If they’re innocent, just win the lawsuit. Is this quibbling over details supposed to win the public over? Because afaik the public doesn’t know or care about this, and publicizing it just makes it worse.
gr_norm•25m ago
Setting aside the presented evidence, it feels weird for somewhat emotionally charged complaining like this to go on an official company blog. Companies are generally pretty tight-lipped about active litigation outside court documents, right? This just seems a bit amateurish, down to the title. Is public opinion about this case so important to them?
jiggawatts•13m ago
They might be head hunting other Apple staff and wish to control the narrative to avoid scaring them off.
int_x•25m ago
To me, this looks like OpenAI is terrified and tries to come out ahead of the public opinion to control the narrative. Such a shit company.

They built their whole business model on stolen data and act surprised when another company has zero trust in them.

Based on their track record this lawsuit is not unexpected at all.

gr_norm•16m ago
Yeah, based on their track record (I mean, even their name is a bad joke at this point) I'm not inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Turns out there's downsides to conducting yourself with little integrity.
bulder•24m ago
Corporate posting in the weeks immediately surrounding a legal case or ruling impacting tech companies is definitely my favorite brand of written text. Despite not paying full attention to EU legislation, I get reliably notified by Google about every tiny bit of antitrust from them posting a "Google brings millions into the EU's [field they are getting hit with antitrust in] ecosystem" vagueblog about it.
mohamedkoubaa•17m ago
I wonder if they are throwing a public tantrum because GPT said that the were absolutely in the right and that it had the smoking gun to prove it
picafrost•15m ago
> we do not have, nor want, any of their trade secrets. We’re much more interested in building innovative products and technologies that push the frontier.

The veiled implication here is hilariously petty. This entire document is hilariously petty. And apparently, ignorant of the news cycle.

This does not build more trust in OpenAI. If it's-totally-a-misunderstanding and Apple-should-have-communicated-better is the best they can offer, well, good luck in court.

jbverschoor•12m ago
One thing is probably true: airdrop failed
efnx•12m ago
Is it normal for a company this big to make a public blog post like this with almost no introduction to what they’re on about?

I would expect them to start out with something like Apple is suing us for yada yada yada, but instead it reads like the diary of a hurt teenager.

gr_norm•10m ago
> it reads like the diary of a hurt teenager.

Yep, down to the pages of iMessage screenshots

Taikhoom2010•11m ago
Odd, regardless, OpenAI is spreading itself too thin, trying to fight wars on the enterprise, consumer, and hardware fronts, and will likely end up losing them all.

Models are a lost cause anyway - https://open.substack.com/pub/taikhooms/p/why-openrouter-can...

pertymcpert•9m ago
I like how this addresses very little of Apple's core complaints. OpenAI are totally fucked.
dbgrman•8m ago
Not buying it. In the end, OpenAI will throw these people under the bus and settle out.

I'm not Apple's biggest fan either (I got super upset when they conveniently wiped out all information about the person comiting suicide in one of their conference rooms and TMZ caught the police line and the sherif said "there is a gun, next to a dead person, we can't say much at the moment" and that was it). But it is unlikely that Apple would depriortize its brand on a fake story.

Barbing•7m ago

  “They now admit that their outside lawyers emailed the wrong person after confusing two Asian last names—only after we brought this to their attention.”
Stunned they’re playing the racism card.
eurleif•5m ago
>They now admit that their outside lawyers emailed the wrong person after confusing two Asian last names—only after we brought this to their attention.

I find it bizarre that they felt the need to specify "Asian". What does that have to do with anything?

pmkary•5m ago
How shitty you must be as a company to go out and write this. Kindergarteners have better public policy. I have not seen any gathering of people (other than Trump's whole whatever that circus is called) this openly and easily tell lies. Gathering non profit funds then becoming for profit, Being built to do open source development and not shipping one result, going to the congress and saying "I'm not making any profit of this company" and rigging the world's economy... Now this shit "hey I was the nice person! I said nice things to Apple, look these are facts"

Keep your garbage for the court.

prmoustache•15m ago
Yes this seems incoherent and incompatible for a company that supposedly care about their trade secrets.
klausa•23m ago
>Is it standard practice at both Apple and OpenAI for employees to use their personal icloud account for work?

Yes.

plodman•20m ago
Somewhat relevant from yesterday.

https://www.macrumors.com/2026/08/03/apple-icloud-sharing-ex...

dannyw•14m ago
Apparently Apple encourages their employees to use their personal iCloud accounts for company information, because their own OS doesn't support one iPhone, multiple iCloud identities.

Source: https://appleinsider.com/articles/26/08/03/confidential-appl...

So yeah.

swiftcoder•10m ago
> Is it standard practice at both Apple and OpenAI for employees to use their personal icloud account for work?

This doesn't seem out of line with common practices at other big tech firms. If you go work at Meta, your personal Facebook/Instagram/Whatsapp/Oculus accounts become intrinsically linked to your work login identity (though a few employees created a secondary account on of all those to prevent this).

Although there are better controls than there used to be, it's not all that uncommon for sensitive work data to leak through this linkage into the public products...

h05sz487b•5m ago
On the phone with some App Store support person I was told they don't like people having multiple Apple IDs. That's why I use my personal one for work as well.

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