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What happens when an LLM never sees material beyond fifth grade?

https://littlelearner-ll.github.io/
47•porridgeraisin•47m ago

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aetherspawn•32m ago
Not quite, because it knows about quantum entanglement and that’s a little beyond the fifth grade.
_diyar•29m ago
You didn’t even read the example you’re referencing.
aureate•19m ago
> Quantum entanglement is when a person gets caught in two or more ropes that are connected in a special way. This can happen if the ropes cross each other or if one rope wraps around the other.

This could be seen as an amusingly extreme example of the fact that if you come up with something and state it condidently enough, a surprisingly large number of people will assume you what you're talking about. Presumably, though, you just mistook the unfiltered (trained on the full data) response for the "Little Learner" one.

krackers•31m ago
A similar project (LLM trained only on vintage material): https://talkie-lm.com/introducing-talkie
asalahli•29m ago
https://xkcd.com/2265/
Terr_•15m ago
Or with a different kind of early: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/rise-of-the-machines
throw310822•13m ago
[February 2020]
adamya-05•25m ago
i dont know
dgacmu•25m ago
I prefer my 8yo's answer about quantum entanglement, asked just now: "I don't know. How would I know? It's not a thing!"

Even an 8yo has better metacognition, it seems. :-)

HPsquared•12m ago
I suppose the LLM doesn't know it's limited in its knowledge, maybe? That others know more.
uniq7•21m ago
> why is the sky blue?

> The sky is blue because of something called Rayleigh scattering. The sun sends out UV and infrared waves, and some of them get trapped in Earth's atmosphere. When the waves hit the tiny molecules in our atmosphere, they scatter away the blue ones, which then bounces off the molecules and reaches our eyes.

"filtered to the U.S. elementary-school curriculum", suuure

tdeck•15m ago
There are science books written for curious children that explain this kind of thing. I remember reading them.
montebicyclelo•19m ago
Really cool work. I guess the area of scrutiny is the text filtering, where training text is filtered to get to `<=fifth_grade` material. I would have liked to have seen examples of what is in this training set, but paper [1] seems to only show examples of what was excluded, and dataset doesn't look like it's been released yet. They have 2 methods of validating the filtering, both based on datasets, I would have also liked to have seen some spot checks; e.g. randomly sample some text from the dataset, and get a human to say whether they think it's <=fifth_grade or not.

(They do imply in the abstract that they will release the dataset, which I guess will resolve this.)

[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2608.13545

mindwok•19m ago
Something related I've been thinking about lately is that one of the biggest problem with LLMs is their seeming inability to say no. Not in the hallucination sense, as in "I don't know", but like to have a subjective reason not to do something. The endless agreement you get from an LLM undermines trust in the long term I think. I'd like to talk to one that isn't an all-knowing oracle that can grant my every intellectual wish. (Or maybe what I'm asking for is just... a human, lol).
cynicalsecurity•13m ago
It can, just use Grok.
nolroz•11m ago
"no"
trimethylpurine•12m ago
[delayed]
dosisking•11m ago
You've hit on an important insight.
exitb•8m ago
I’m using ChatGPT and started to notice that lately it answers my prompts starting with „Yes” even if my question was open. As if the first token gets injected and the LLM is left to finish the response in a sensible way, often ending up with some form of „Yes, but not really”.
fuzzfactor•17m ago
Eternal youth?
andai•8m ago
> What is Schrödinger's cat?

> It's a cat that has been misbehavin'!

c7b•7m ago
I've been wondering whether that is a feature of the foundation model or whatever finetuning they do on top. I remember this from the earliest versions of (pre Chat-) GPT I've been using, which would suggest it's a feature of the foundation model. But I don't really understand why. Something that's been trained on StackOverflow and BB forums, among other things, should have seen a ton of examples of answer refusals.
reddozen•6m ago
> but like to have a subjective reason not to do something

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