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The Case Against Formal Verification, 50 Years Later

https://ivan-gavran.github.io/0-social-processes-paper
12•ghuntley•29m ago

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gr_norm•21m ago
The title may be slightly misleading if you haven't bothered to read the article. It's responding to a famous paper from 1979 critiquing formal verification. The article ends up disagreeing with most of its strongest claims in hindsight, though a couple appear to remain worthwhile.
bananaflag•12m ago
> Real-world systems are too messy to be specified

I agree with this counterargument.

I mean, you can verify that Euclid's argument computes the GCD. Or that quicksort produces a sorted version of the input array.

But how do you verify Facebook? Facebook computes what?

For some programs, the shortest descriptions of what they do are the programs themselves.

IsTom•5m ago
Anything with a GUI seems really daunting to specify. And then later you need to update specs to match GUI if you make any changes and you need to decide which is wrong: the implementation of the specification.
gr_norm•5m ago
Agree in part, but remember that formal verification need not be done in full. By analogy, we don't avoid testing simply because everything under the sun can't be tested.

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