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Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

71•jacquesm•42m ago
I've reset this more than once and the last time I made a careful note of when I did it and to my surprise I found it re-enabled when I checked just now. Make sure you check this thing to see if it hasn't been re-enabled if you believe it to be off right now.

Comments

amelius•26m ago
If you document it properly then this basically destroys any legal claim they can make about that checkbox.
andsoitis•23m ago
> Make sure you check this thing to see if it hasn't been re-enabled if you believe it to be off right now.

Or simply switch to a competitor. Assuming this is not just a bug, why would one stand for such disrespectful and sneaky behavior?

FWIW, I have not seen this happen for me.

cute_boi•22m ago
And don't switch to Misanthropic lol. They are even worst...
_zoltan_•11m ago
what competitor?

the x20 Max plan for Claude gives you way lover limits.

andsoitis•8m ago
> lover limits.

lovers should never be limited!

jerf•22m ago
My cynicism fails me on this matter... do I cynically believe that these companies keep deliberately and routinely re- or un-checking these checkboxes because of the obvious benefits of "whoopsie guess you allowed these after all"? Or do I cynically believe that they are just so completely incompetent and inept at the simple act of maintaining settings that there may be a number of these that are not entirely intentional? As evidenced by the number of other bugs and configuration failures and random settings changes on update I see in other places? Sure, these sorts of settings sure seem to get spontaneously flipped more often than the other ones but they aren't the only settings I've seen get nuked on updates.

Now, obviously, considered as a whole, I think we're looking at "both". But when I wonder about specific cases like this one, that doesn't help.

pacificat0r•19m ago
Oh no… OpenAI, the company who encourages and instructs Apple employees on how to get them data on apple products when they accept an offer?
philipov•19m ago
"Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice"
antonok•19m ago
I've noticed that toggle sets a local storage entry, but the value of it doesn't appear to matter at all for new tab loads. I hoped it's "just" a UI bug, but some agent-driven reverse engineering of the page should reveal the answer, as well as how intentional it was.
sunaurus•19m ago
Based on their behavior over the past few years, why would you assume that checkbox even does anything at all?
ALLTaken•6m ago
Levent Alpöge 'additionally' proved OpenAI steals your findings & IP and plays dirty!

Ironically he proved two major findings in Navier Strokes and that unethical American companies violate laws, steal your breakthrough findings & IP and then threaten you if you dare to challenge them.

This is making the status-quo so bad for any of us working on serious capacity. My client's don't trust ChatGPT/Claude anymore and prefer on-premises and OSS models or even custom trained models.

frangonf•18m ago
There's also this setting here which I have set to 'Do not train on my content' even though I trust it the same as the 'allow training' one...

https://privacy.openai.com/policies/en/?modal=take-control

arpinum•11m ago
Turn on "Advanced Account Security", that prevents model training from being turned on.
cbg0•11m ago
I've disabled the checkbox many months ago and it's still disabled today. EU citizen, not sure if that's relevant.
stingraycharles•10m ago
Fairly certain OP lives in The Netherlands.
ActionHank•10m ago
Lol, "Outrageous that the company that chose to ignore copyright holder claims, chose to ignore my checkbox of intent despite the implied pinky promise".
franzcoughka•8m ago
i mean, the entire company is built upon stealing protected artefacts... i'd be skeptical of any radio box that says "hey if you press this we promise we won't steal your data"
yipinwong•7m ago
Does OpenAI use optimistic UI updates? After you disabled the checkbox, it might have had failed in the backend (and not updated the UI).

Verify with devtools to see if that's the case.

---

for me, Youtube "auto-play" irks the me same way, and turning it off did not actually succeed in the backend, thus kept on left as on

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