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Device detection and occupancy monitoring for Airbnb hosts

https://www.minut.com/features/occupancy-monitoring
9•mikeodds•1h ago

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c-linkage•48m ago
Works only with iOS. I guess only people with iPhones rent houses for parties?
varjag•34m ago
Green text ppl aren't getting invited
wildzzz•24m ago
I'm guessing it's because iPhones are easier to characterize over dozens of different android MAC address prefixes.

But with MAC address randomization, I don't recall Apple doing anything different than other vendors so not sure what they are detecting that an Android wouldn't reveal as well.

ale42•9m ago
Isn't it rather detecting UWB or pings from NFB reader? But at least the latter should work also do detect Android phones (see also https://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/1jsr9jv/eavesdroppi...).
wildzzz•45m ago
I'd much prefer this over a host slapping up cameras everywhere.

To anyone wanting to throw parties at an airbnb, switch to Android!

username_my1•42m ago
wasn't there an algo developed that would use wifi signal as a way to detect humans / movements even behind walls.

I imagine that would be a neater solution. if all what you need is a wifi receiver.

stingraycharles•36m ago
Absolutely, maybe 15 years ago, and it was / is used by shops to detect recurring visitors and get a better understanding of their behavior.

It’s also why anonymization of wifi started being pushed by Apple et al, which still does provide a stable client id but that’s only being broadcast as part of the DHCP handshake, which cannot be used here.

wildzzz•21m ago
You could look for Bluetooth MACs instead but those too are randomized. Are any other vendors randomizing Bluetooth MACs? Maybe that's what they detect, MACs that don't go to any known vendor.
ale42•7m ago
There's also much more recent research where you can actually track the position of people by the changes to the Wifi signal. Passive monitoring only, no device involved. See https://github.com/Saad-Imtiaz/WiFi-Sense for example (first thing I found by looking up now, never tried myself).
nickorlow•32m ago
yes -- I think xfinity uses it to implement this: https://www.xfinity.com/hub/smart-home/wifi-motion
cube00•39m ago
Interesting that it can only count iOS devices considering Apple is more privacy focused. What's the secret sauce that prevents Android phones being counted in the same way?

I would have thought Android's constant Wi-Fi scanning that Google uses for improving their indoor location services would be an easy give away.

groby_b•37m ago
None of the developers ever saw one, or they firmly believe focusing on iOS makes the product more 'luxe'
wildzzz•10m ago
I'd assume it's because it's easier to look for an Apple MAC prefix than trying to figure out if some other device is a phone or not.

But with MAC randomization (both wifi and Bluetooth), I'm not sure what they are doing here that would effectively sort iPhones from other devices doing the same.

anta40•36m ago
>> How does Crowd Detect estimate occupancy? >> It detects the number of nearby iOS devices in a property and compares it to your defined threshold. If the count is exceeded, Minut sends an alert.

OK so Android users are safe, then. Woohoo!

alexpotato•32m ago
Wouldn't this be possible with a NUC/RaspberryPi and a bluetooth adapter?

e.g. if you suddenly start seeing tons of beacons above the historical maximum, that's a good indicator.

(Not trying to be "dropbox is just rsync", just commenting on the iOS only limitation)

tgsovlerkhgsel•24m ago
Of course, but most AirBnB hosts want a product, not a project.
iAMkenough•6m ago
Their property is a project.

This product allows them to charge additional fees without being present hosts or even receiving a complaint.

kotaKat•8m ago
Five bucks says it's just an ESP32 with some sensors wired up to it going to "their" cloud. That's all they all end up being, just in a fancy package buttoned up for the end user.

I ripped apart a https://restsensor.com/ "hotel air quality sensor" I got on eBay and it ended up being just that: an ESP32 hooked to a Sensiron SEN55.

wildzzz•8m ago
Either that or some ESP32. It also includes a smart smoke alarm and noise meter. But property managers aren't going to want to roll their own solution to this.
buggeryorkshire•24m ago
You have to get the guests to install an app? Hell no that won't work.
ryeights•21m ago
This is a microcosm of everything that has gone wrong in modern technological society. Most Airbnbs have occupancy rules that bar any daytime visitors if read strictly. This has been normalized under the understanding that the policy isn’t strictly enforceable, but exists as a backstop for situations where extra visitors cause damage/nuisances.

So if you want to have a (perhaps spontaneous) guest over or a small polite gathering, as long as you don't cause a disturbance, it's no harm no foul. This is beneficial to the social fabric and doesn't bring any detriment to the host or neighbors. Yet, thanks to the marvels of technology, we can now detect and deter these aberrances that would have otherwise gone unnoticed!

nothercastle•16m ago
Another reason to just get a hotel room.
howdyhowdy•15m ago
There are, unfortunately, a lot of listings on airbnb/vrbo/etc. that just shouldn't be. Not because the listings are bad, but because the people are looking to make a buck with the least amount of effort or care as possible. Technologies like this arise when there are too many of that category in a market.
calldacopsidc•10m ago
100%. In less than a decade this so-called innovation went from "I want to host travelers in my spare bedroom to help make rent" to "I want to buy up homes in popular areas during a housing crunch and pimp them out to frat parties". I have lived next to a property by one of these "superhosts" and it's hell on the neighborhood.

STRs are a disgusting and tasteless business and I avoid staying in them at all costs

close04•10m ago
All the pictures show nice, large houses in a suburb. What about apartments in a bigger building? Will the neighbor's visitors trigger this? Would turning off BT completely bypass this?
mdrzn•9m ago
"Crowd Detect uses passive signals from nearby iOS devices to estimate occupancy."

Thank god Android doesn't fuck my privacy like that.

jagged-chisel•6m ago
Quite the logical leap
returningfory2•5m ago
I wonder how Airbnb would respond to a host complaint that uses this data, because of the following story:

A few years ago me and a bunch of friends rented a big Airbnb with a no dogs policy. Some other friends were in the same town, with a dog, and came over and hung out in the yard for a while with their dog. The dog also briefly went in the house (which I think is poor form, to be clear). Somehow the Airbnb host was in the neighborhood and drove by the house to check on it, saw the dog, and then messaged Airbnb to complain.

My friend counter-complained to Airbnb that the host was surveilling us. And the end result was that Airbnb discounted the Airbnb by 50% (over $1000). The owner got nothing out of it. Very surprising to me.

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