This is purely data with no narrative attached, which is sort of refreshing.
The un-answered question is what is now eating up the percentage that was going to wages?
What are the options? R&D, shareholders, lawyers, advertising/marketing/PR, share buy-backs, political lobbying (cough bribery cough), strategic reserves?
bediger4000•20m ago
We know it isn't R&D. That got done by universities, and we're in the process of gutting them.
HWR_14•15m ago
Not just universities. Large tech companies have been excellent at funding R&D.
stonogo•11m ago
This turns out not to be the case.
cft•11m ago
Right, from Wright brothers airplane to modern GPT LLMs founders, they were all university researchers that are now being gutted by Trump:
there are only two ways to make money - labor and capital - broadly speaking, and continued data points like this one is why the word Oligarchy is increasing in usage... most of us see it and feel it
skew-aberration•4m ago
All (the value) of the things produced goes ultimately to either labor (wages), capital (interest), or land (rent) - Adam Smith. (tax being an intermediary for the same).
If wages are down then rent or interest returns are up.
Market interest rates are trending up in recent years but in line with / below long term averages.
So obviously rent is doing the heavy lifting. GFC, housing crisis, etc, are all products of the extreme rents and land speculation.
Where does rent go? It can be consumed (luxury goes, etc) but most of it 'grounds out' in labor and capital through subsequent investments.
So higher share going to rent actually looks like larger luxury consumption by the landowners, more services consumed by them, and (probably most significantly) larger capital investments domestically and internationally - huge AI and semiconductor investments, robotics and EV factory build outs, complicated R&D programs, etc). These go on to employ more laborers globally - with the key change being that the return to laborers within any one investment is historically low.
Money is only an intermediary. It is the flow of goods produced (machines built, technologies developed) and services and resources which really matters.
testing22321•3m ago
Wages for the upper tier, but not in the form of wages
BLKNSLVR•1h ago
The un-answered question is what is now eating up the percentage that was going to wages?
What are the options? R&D, shareholders, lawyers, advertising/marketing/PR, share buy-backs, political lobbying (cough bribery cough), strategic reserves?
bediger4000•20m ago
HWR_14•15m ago
stonogo•11m ago
cft•11m ago
https://chatgpt.com/share/6adedaac-c650-83e8-bb64-c30c1170fa...
JumpCrisscross•11m ago
Here you go: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/release/tables?rid=53&eid=42185
Wages and salaries are down 0.4 percentage point from ‘24, 0.75 from ‘15 and 5 from 2000.
Corporate profits after taxes are up 5 percentage points from 2000.
omgwtfbyobbq•3m ago
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/release/tables?rid=53&eid=17636
verdverm•6m ago
skew-aberration•4m ago
If wages are down then rent or interest returns are up.
Market interest rates are trending up in recent years but in line with / below long term averages.
So obviously rent is doing the heavy lifting. GFC, housing crisis, etc, are all products of the extreme rents and land speculation.
Where does rent go? It can be consumed (luxury goes, etc) but most of it 'grounds out' in labor and capital through subsequent investments.
So higher share going to rent actually looks like larger luxury consumption by the landowners, more services consumed by them, and (probably most significantly) larger capital investments domestically and internationally - huge AI and semiconductor investments, robotics and EV factory build outs, complicated R&D programs, etc). These go on to employ more laborers globally - with the key change being that the return to laborers within any one investment is historically low.
Money is only an intermediary. It is the flow of goods produced (machines built, technologies developed) and services and resources which really matters.
testing22321•3m ago