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The importance of communities around software

https://lumi.codeberg.page/blog/software-community.html
26•amcclure•55m ago

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germanrabbit•39m ago
If it is truly free it should use Apache 2.0
pelagicAustral•33m ago
> The importance of communities around software

Unless you use AI.

Same people, same mute message; every time, with no delay. "Accept me, then I'll see if I want to accept you".

Fuck off.

53agfd•28m ago
We really feel for the poor oppressed AI people who have no financial, political or corporate backing unlike Codeberg, which gets $0.5 trillion in investor money!
sirmike_•8m ago
You are not allowed to say certain personalities who cover some of this stuff on Hacker News, albeit from a little bit of a theatrical position, but it still does get to the heart of some of this stuff. This sheer nonsense. What this person is talking about is not a community. They want a club.

More evidence of tribalism, combined with exceptionally precise confessions running as whataboutisms

Pelagicaustral is on the money.

It would just be nice if people understood the difference between wanting a club with a gate versus a community. I am impressed, though. I never thought I’d see a vomit diarrhea load of bumper stickers, but a digital form at the end of the article.

shevy-java•29m ago
I notice this with ruby right now, where claude took over development. But it is not confined to just ruby. AI slop eliminates human contributors. Why would I want to even try to interact with AI slop meta-designing software? If I go to another developer and ask "hey many, how did you add this great feature #123"? I'd get the reply "claude slop". Wowsers. Now tell me this is healthy to a community ...

I wonder how people work with omarchyslop (the linux distribution spam-slopped by DHH). Do they have any real community outside of paid fanboi accounts? If so, how do they interact? I feel that there is no real exchange of e. g. code since claude slop just autogenerates that. It must be strange for them.

djelu•6m ago
The agentic development loop is just another tool at a developer's disposal. Whether it produces slop is still a matter of the driver's design, taste, risk tolerance, skill, etc. Even in your hypothetical, it implies liking a feature enough to reach out and ask about it.

One perspective that you might want to conside, and which is discussed by Oxide folks in this podcast episode [1], is that agents are a kind of non-deterministic compiler which is still, to some extent, capable of producing useful output. Consider this: even before agents, ruby source code might have been seen slop to someone writing a strongly typed language.

Lastly, there is a community for users of that distro if you care to look for it (I am not among them).

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSOdBO9I6q8

nickelpro•28m ago
If I publish my code under an open source license, you are free to take it and build any community around it you want.

If I keep my code proprietary, you are beholden to the shape of the community I dictate.

The license is first, it precedes, any notion about community.

piker•5m ago
This ignores some we have learned about critical masses and network effects. If everyone can just take their own copy with no interaction, many won’t join the community and it may never reach a critical mass despite and because of its openness.
nonethewiser•19m ago
Im really interested in seeing where the anti-ai crowd ends up in a few years.

Im sympathetic to the perspective in some ways but I think it's wildly impractical to actually try to keep AI out of software development.

I suppose an anti-ai optimist might hope for a future where AI written software proves too problematic over time and things return to their ideal vision of no AI in most software.

I really, really dont think that's in the range of possibilities. So what would be left?

- pockets of anti ai software

- these people slowly disappear or the window moves ("ai in software BUT ...")

- ai use is completely and thoroughly normalized

jonathanstrange•7m ago
Give it a few years and nobody will want to run software that hasn't been debugged and hardened by AIs. It's going to be much more thorough than human auditors - it already is, to some extent, and faster anyway, but I'm talking about the future. So it's going to be the latter, complete normalization of AI. You can still write the program by hand, but you'll need AI to make it trustworthy and secure enough, if only because the attackers will also be mostly AI.
mpd•6m ago
> ai use is completely and thoroughly normalized

I think this is a certainty. Future generations will be born into a world where education, technology, and jobs have corrected for AI's existence. They will never know a world without it or have the experience of the current growing pains.

We've seen this plenty of times with new tech in the past, and as disruptive as AI is, I can't imagine the cat going back in the bag.

sirmike_•14m ago
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bakugo•13m ago
> Does the project have an inclusive code of conduct?

If you want a project to be community driven, adding an agreement that empowers its leaders to punish and exclude any community member for any reason, including reasons that have nothing to do with the project itself, is the opposite of that.

Codes of conduct result in dictator-driven projects, not community-driven projects.

nonethewiser•5m ago
And inclusive of whom?

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