Further, in the cases you're talking about, the functions specifically are methods which you can implement in your own class. But you aren't doing this in order to avoid calling them directly; rather, you're doing them to implement functionality for that class (i.e., there's some other bit of syntax already which will call it indirectly for you). And `__init__` isn't much of an exception; normally you only call it explicitly where necessary for subclassing (because the corresponding syntax would create a separate base class instance instead of initializing the current base).
But the point here is to inspect an implementation detail, for pedagogical purposes. There isn't a better way to do it in this case, exactly because you aren't ordinarily supposed to care about that detail. There's no question about whether you'd inspect an object's `__closure__` directly in production code - because not only is there no alternative, but it would be extremely rare to have any reason to do so.
def closure(self): return self.__closure__
I'm just talking form, not function here. In other words, if it is supposed to be accessed directly by arbitrary external code (non-class functions), it shouldn't use the double underscore syntax? If any property can have that syntax, then the syntax loses its meaning?
There is no such thing as "supposed to be" in this context. It can be accessed, because Python fundamentally doesn't protect against such accesses anywhere. There is no wrapper because there is no ordinary purpose for the access.
>If any property can have that syntax, then the syntax loses its meaning?
There is no special syntax here, so there is nothing that can lose meaning. Leading underscores are a convention. The parser doesn't care, and the compiler only makes minor adjustments (name mangling) in very limited circumstances (to avoid mistakes with subclasses).
No idea why they would be related to closures
As far as I can tell, they're not related to the design pattern, but I never had to use that.
> Congratulations! You wrote your first decorator. Even if it looks different to what you think a decorator should look like—you usually see them used with the @ notation, which we'll discuss in Part 3—store_arguments() is a decorator.
And:
> A decorator is a function that accepts another function as an argument and returns yet another function. The function it returns is a decorated version of the function you pass as an argument. (We'll return to this definition and refine it later in this decorator journey)
I have no idea why you are claiming something that is plainly false based on the text of the article.
Classes in Python are actually themselves instances (of builtin class 'type'). So to make a decorator for one, you create a function that takes a class (i.e. an instance of 'type' with a lot of duck-typing already applied to it in the class definition) as an argument and returns a class (either the same class or a brand-new one; usually you make a brand new one by creating a new class inside the decorator that subclasses the class passed in, `MyNewClass(cls)`, and you return `MyNewClass`... The fact it's named `MyNewClass` inside the decorator won't matter to anyone because that's a local variable inside the decorator function body).
The syntactic sugar Python does when you go
@decorator
class Foo:
... is basically:* Create a class (with no name yet)
* Pass that class to function `decorator`
* Bind the return value of `decorator` to the variable `Foo`.
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Before decorators came along, you'd get their effects on classes with this pattern:
class Foo:
# the definition of Foo
Foo.some_new_method = ... # since Foo is also an instance of a class, you can just modify it in-place.
Foo = decorate_it(Foo) # ... or pass it as an argument to a function and re-bind its name to the resultAnnotations in Java, on the other hand, which have the same syntax, are a monument to all our sins.
- Audit for conciseness
- Add a tl;dr summary at the top
And I do wish this had a real example it was playing with, and it consistently used that same example all the way through as it built the layers of what the problem being solved with decorators is. It's a lot easier to teach a concept when you can contextualize it in a way that's shows it's usefulness.
I'm not sure if this metric really matters, but this is wordier than the PEP that describes decorators.
My take on it is that, if you're going to write a decorator, make sure you test it thoroughly and be sure to cover the ways that it will actually be used.
To properly handle a decorator that needed to be called both with and without arguments, I ended up writing a function decorator that returned a wrapped function when there were no parameters provided for the decorator (*args param to the decorator function undefined) and, otherwise, returned an instance of a class that defined __call__ and __init__ methods.
I'm still a bit surprised that I had to do it that way, but that's how it shook out.
One project I worked on used decorators heavily. Things worked great on the happy path but trying to track a subtle bug happening in a function with nine complex decorators is not a fun experience.
For software that is going to be maintained, optimising for debuggability, comprehension and minimised ball-hiding is almost always the side to error on.
A decorator basically just does something when a function is defined. They can be used to do something when a function is defined (such as register the function with a list of functions), or modify the function's behavior to do something before and/or after the function is called (like create a poor man's profiling by timing the function call).
You can do all that without decorators, of course, but the code looks a lot cleaner with them.
sltkr•9mo ago
Half of the article is devoted to closures, but closures aren't essential for decorators. And the __closure__ attribute is an implementation detail that is really irrelevant. (For comparison, JavaScript has closures just like Python, but it doesn't expose the closed-over variables explicitly the way Python does.)
Decorators are simply higher order functions that are used to wrap functions. The syntax is a little funky, but all you need to know is that code like:
Is essentially equivalent to: ...i.e. decorators are functions that take a callable argument and return a new callable (which typically does something and then calls the argument function--or not, as the case may be).Then there are seemingly more complex expressions like:
This looks like a special kind of decorator that takes arguments, but it looks more complex than it really is. Just like `foo` was an expression referencing a function `foo(42, 'blub')` is just a regular Python function call expression. That function call should then itself return a function, which takes a function argument to wrap the function being decorated. Okay, I admit that sounds pretty complex when I write it out like that, but if you implement it, it's again pretty simple: This is an extra level of indirection but fundamentally still the same principle as without any arguments.And yes, these examples use closures, which are very convenient when implementing decorators. But they aren't essential. It's perfectly possible to declare a decorator this way:
It's the same thing but now there are no closures whatsoever involved.The key point in all these examples is that functions in Python are first-class objects that can be referenced by value, invoked dynamically, passed as arguments to functions, and returned from functions. Once you understand that, it's pretty clear that a decorator is simply a wrapper that takes a function argument and returns a new function to replace it, usually adding some behavior around the original function.
ninetyninenine•9mo ago
poincaredisk•9mo ago
Meanwhile, the author finished their PhD in 2004, and wrote 3 books about Python.
sltkr•9mo ago
Frankly it's a bit suspicious how defensive you are of this author, and combined with the blatant downvoting of my toplevel comment, makes me think there is some astro-turfing going on in this thread.
ninetyninenine•9mo ago
dijksterhuis•9mo ago
like… it… just… it felt wrong reading that in the examples. felt very `def func(kw=[])` adjacent. i can see some rare uses for it, but eh. i dunno.
(also didn’t find the closure stuff that insightful, ended up skipping past that, but then i know decorators, so… maybe useful for someone else. i dunno.).
t-writescode•9mo ago
In a sense, that was mutating a global variable by including and tracking the metrics gathering. I imagine this person's early professional exposures to it and need to create their own also came from a similar situation, so "mutating global state" and closures sorta clicked for them.
People learn things by coming to those things from many different entry points and for many different reasons. This is another one of those instances :)
maleldil•9mo ago
It isn't. The original version was doing that, but the "decorator" one wasn't. The data variable is internal to the closure, so different invocations of the decorator would have different data variables.
> didn’t find the closure stuff that insightful
It's used to attach state to a function. Different invocations of the function would have different state. IME, I'd rather use an explicit class for that, but it's useful with decorators.
ojii•9mo ago
> decorators are functions that take a callable argument and return a new callable
there's nothing forcing a decorator to return a callable. A decorator _could_ return anything it wants. I don't know why you would want that, but Python won't stop you.
backprojection•9mo ago
ojii•9mo ago
Spivak•9mo ago
But yeah type systems get weird at the margins. Your class is an instance of type which has a __call__ method which creates an instance of your class.
zahlman•9mo ago
empiko•9mo ago
I think you overestimate how many programmers would find this explanation clear. Most programmers are not used to functional programming, an anything that manipulates with functions is not that intuitive to them. That is the reason why some people steer away from decorators