Has there been any progress since then?
First viable airplane shell is anticipated to hit the market in 2250.
/s
"The proof-of-concept presented in this study can be scaled up using made-to-measure chitin sheets and synthetic substitutes for limpet cell-conditioned media. Given that chitin is currently a waste by-product of the fishing industry⁴⁴, our approach would allow its repurposing into a novel composite material that could substitute for many existing synthetic materials that are manufactured in a polluting or unsustainable manner, and could help solve environmental challenges such as the ocean plastics crisis. Furthermore, as chitin is itself biodegradable, this bioinspired composite meets the key modern engineering challenge of sustainability. In short, this new material has the potential to be manufactured and disposed of without generating harmful waste products."
https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/only-about-40-of-the-cruz-w...
Though the pop article is light on details.
Titanium is a pretty bad comparison. Its 10-20x weaker, and is also weaker than fiberglass, nylon, most steels, sapphire, many other types of metals and fibers...
gweinberg•7mo ago
potato3732842•7mo ago
hwillis•7mo ago
There also is no such thing as strength per volume.
e28eta•7mo ago
I also noticed that it’s from 2015, although it was still new to me and interesting.
prmph•7mo ago
sk5t•7mo ago
prmph•7mo ago
jmillikin•7mo ago
Are you confusing "compressive strength" with compressibility?
stormfather•7mo ago
prmph•7mo ago
Many materials would have compressive strength easily, just by being relatively uncompressible.
But most loads have a (troublesome) tensile component. Fundamentally, the ability of a rigid material to resist deformation (in the most general sense) is what is most important, and that requires tensile strength.
See this comment elsewhere in this sub-thread that explains it probably better than I did: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43904800
prmph•7mo ago
> In mechanics, compressive strength (or compression strength) is the capacity of a material or structure to withstand loads tending to reduce size (compression). It is opposed to tensile strength which withstands loads tending to elongate, resisting tension (being pulled apart).
Google search AI summary states:
> Compressive strength is a material's capacity to resist forces that try to reduce its volume or cause deformation.
To be fair, compressive strength is a complex measure. Compressibility is only one aspect of it. See this Encyclopedia Britannica article [2] about how compressive strength is tested.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressive_strength
[2] https://www.britannica.com/technology/compressive-strength-t...
brennanpeterson•7mo ago
These are well understood terms in the field. Unfortunately, this illustrates the bounds of ai in subfields like materials: it confuses people.
prmph•7mo ago
thatcat•7mo ago
jmillikin•7mo ago
Water has very low compressive strength, so low that it freely deforms under its own weight. You can observe this by pouring some water onto a table. This behavior is distinct from materials with high compressive strength, such as wood or steel.
(I say "very low" instead of "zero" because surface tension could be considered a type of compressive strength at small scales, such as a single drop of water on a hydrophobic surface)
prmph•7mo ago
See this comment elsewhere in this sub-thread that explains it probably better than I did: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43904800
cma•7mo ago
blitzar•7mo ago
hwillis•7mo ago
> The tensile strength of discrete volumes of limpet tooth material measured using in situ atomic force microscopy was found to range from 3.0 to 6.5 GPa
Also "compressive strength" is not really a thing, in that it's only a metric that is useful for practical applications. It's proportional to tensile strength, and unlike tensile strength it does not generalize well to things like modeling stress. Tensile strength is a much more fundamental quality than compressive strength.
Strength of a material is force per area. In ideal terms it is measured over an infinitely short length; if you measure over a long distance then the sample is stretched and becomes thinner, changing the measurement. If you test on a shorter and shorter sample you get closer and closer to the ideal value.
The same is not true for compressive strength tests. If you measure compressive strength by pressing on a very very thin disc of material it will just resist all force; it has effectively infinite strength. The actual failure mode of compression is always tensile strength in the radial direction, or buckling or something. You press the sample and it stretches sideways until it exceeds the sample's tensile strength in that direction. The shorter the sample is, the less it can expand radially and the stronger it appears to be. There is no "ideal" compressive strength, only useful test setups.
hydrogen7800•7mo ago
This is true, but neither is "tensile strength" really a thing for the same reason. A simple uni-axial tensile test is not really uni-axial, but a combination of orthogonal normal stresses that ultimately results in shear failure. I've heard it said that "all failure is shear failure", and I think that's true. When you look closely at the ductile fracture surface of a ruptured tensile specimen, the characteristic "cupping"[0] appearance consists of various surfaces at 45 degrees from the direction of the applied load. Principle shear stresses are always oriented 45 degrees from the principle normal stresses.
[0]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/DuctileF...
hwillis•7mo ago
Well, not the same reason. Shear strength is in many ways more important because failure usually propagates from an origin like a rip- by shearing.
But fundamentally, tensile strength and shear strength are both much more empirical than compressive strength. Tensile strength can be used with ~99% accuracy on a wire that is microns long or miles long. If you double the relative width of a testing sample it will dramatically change the measured compressive strength even without buckling.
throw7383753•7mo ago
This is why the code forces you to use strut and tie model deep concrete beams. As much as you may want to idealize a shear stress, really what's happening is the beam is arching over the span.
hydrogen7800•7mo ago
bozhark•7mo ago
rda2•7mo ago
"All failure is shear failure" - this is a simple explanation of Tresca's Yield Criterion. For materials with higher compressive than tensile strength, the equivalent is the Mohr-Coulomb failure criterion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_failure_theory
kurthr•7mo ago
https://youtu.be/1YTKedLQOa0?t=533
adrian_b•7mo ago
At high enough pressures, all materials change their molecular and crystalline structures into structures with higher densities of atoms per volume and the volume of the tested samples diminishes, so the samples collapse at certain pressure thresholds.
The well known transformation of graphite into diamond is just an example of what happens with any substance at high pressures. Diamond is a more unusual example just because it remains stable even after the pressure that has created it is removed.
Moreover, for non-homogeneous materials, like concrete or many natural rocks used in construction, which are composed of harder particles cemented in a weaker matrix, it is normal to have a tensile strength that is many times smaller than the compressive strength, because when subjected to tension the weaker matrix allows pieces to detach, but in compression the strength may be determined mostly by the threshold where the harder particles break.
The snail teeth are also made of composite materials, mineral crystals in a protein matrix, so they are also likely to have different strengths depending on what kind of stresses are applied and in what directions.
throwawee•7mo ago
AndrewOMartin•7mo ago
VladVladikoff•7mo ago
yreg•7mo ago
For example the spores in the Emerald Sea, where the hero is from, instantly grow into massive vines that destroy everything in their path. That makes sailing rather dangerous.
The story is whimsical, perhaps an adult fairy tale (or just a fairy tale?), so I don't know if it fits your taste.
dekhn•7mo ago
doorpheus•7mo ago
georgeecollins•7mo ago
yreg•7mo ago
And I think there is one more similar spider civilization book that's also popular – A Deepness in the Sky by Vernor Vinge.
foobarbecue•7mo ago
VladVladikoff•7mo ago
ozim•7mo ago
So many questions and quests.
lawlessone•7mo ago