to quote a line ive often been delivered by police -
“if you didnt do anything wrong, what do you have to hide?”
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/08/florida-voter-fr...
We’re arresting and irrevocably detaining folks not only without a warrant, but in violation of court orders.
Which doesn’t really happen, I mean cops murder innocent people and it’s a struggle to get meaningful consequences for _that_.
This is part of what ACAB means - the justice system is woefully against the interest of the public. If we hadn’t seen time and again cops get away with literal murder, if there were actually consequences, and if police unions didn’t have the ability to hold a community hostage, maybe fewer people would be ACAB. The fact that we even had to have a Supreme Court case about whether cops have a duty to protect civilians (surprise, it was ruled that they don’t) should be evidence that the system is rotten.
if you define ACAB in this way and competence defined as protecting the public from crime and maintaining the common good, then yea probably a lot if not ACAB.
I’ll share a story because this one moment in my life I was certain I was milliseconds from death and probably is the closest I ever came to it and it would have been at the hands of a cop “doing their job” with no bad intentions, just doing it poorly.
I worked in public transportation in a small, extremely wealthy community with a police force I’d describe as well funded and is considered highly trained. Part of my job required me to work very late hours into 2-4am. I took public transportation to work and bicycled home.
Unbeknownst to me, there had been some type of home invasion in the area as I was leaving work at 3am, and they shut the area down with roadblocks and set heavily armed officers up at every street intersection. I was riding my bike through the side alleys like I usually did to get home, unaware of the situation.
It’s pitch black except for some street lights nearby. Suddenly I get lit up by half a dozen bright lights in my face with armed officers pointing their weapons and screaming at me to get off my bike and on the ground. i did but had my backpack still on, they screamed to take it off as I did on my knees i saw an officer walk straight forward to me quickly with his hands on his gun aiming directly at my skull. I will never forget the look in his eyes, i felt i was toast. luckily i didnt panic and slowly put the backpack on the ground. then they realized i was a transportation worker and let me go and told me there had been a robbery. I was rattled but left.
The thing that really chapped my ass though and made the situation worse was at the next intersection, almost the exact same thing happened, because the bozos at the first one didnt radio their idiot friends and tell them not to shoot me. so twice in the space of like 5 mins i get guns drawn on me - they figured it out quicker the second time, but i stupidly popped off a little “are you gonna point your guns at me a third time or tell the next guys not to shoot me,” which didnt help the tension and got my bag searched for my trouble.
Experiencing something like that and knowing what a razors edge it could have been to dying for essentially no reason at the hands of a moron that makes more than i ever will with a pension irks me and always probably will.
These are solved problems. Hundreds of agencies use body cams now, and this has been dealt with.
I think a good starting point for squaring this is to examine it in the context of what else the administration is doing (or not doing) to protect the privacy of citizens. This move has an enormous deleterious effect on police accountability in exchange for a fairly small increase in citizen privacy, so if the administration is ignoring more effective ways to improve the citizenry's privacy you can safely infer what really motivated their decision to back away from body cams.
you smoking a cig in an alley on your 15 minute break? you should have every right and privilege on earth.
you running 10,000 person strong group of people with the legal right to use force against your fellow man fighting to deny people their personal liberties with a long history of corruption? i don't care if there's cameras in the bathrooms.
It's back to the public not actually knowing what really happened, except in situations where its recorded by a 3rd party or there is a whistleblower from their own ranks. And we have to hope these people are brave enough to step forward and handle the pressure placed on them because they did, in order for justice to prevail.
obligatory trump and elon suck, im not defending them. just pushing back against misinformation
1 - a lack of transparency. They are very public about the small number of cuts that they can make look good to their base while obscuring/not elucidating a clear, extensive list of their actions. It’s not easy to examine the details of cut programs beyond short descriptions of dubious accuracy.
2 - clear political bias. The cuts/“fraud” they do publicize are frequently just things which appear, on their surface, to be ideologically liberal or left, rather than examples of clear waste or fraud. I say surface level appearance because the details of the cut are rarely more than a single sentence description and a monetary amount.
3 - security concerns. Doge isn’t careful enough/lacks the oversight to be handling Americans’ sensitive records. Their approach is very deliberately to behave more like a small startup, but they neglect security far too much as a consequence.
I think a department of government efficiency is a good idea, but I think doge pretends to be such a thing in order to cut government programs for ideological reasons without having to go through the legislature.
2. i agree that there is a lot of highlighting of stuff that is cut that is aligned with leftist ideology, e.g. money spent on programs that are gender affirming or involving trans/LGBTQ issues. i am LGBTQ/trans myself and I am massively in support of all initiatives to make the world a more loving, kind, accepting place. but i can also empathize that government attempts to do so are probably rampant with fraud and abuse and theft and waste, and it's not clear to me to what extent our government should be funding things surrounding social issues like this at all.
3. again i think this is a sentiment based on hyperbolic media reporting and is hard to substantiate with concrete evidence other than "MSNBC had an anonymous source that said so". it's also hard to know how much the claims, if true, are misaligned with "business as usual" in the government. if doge has access to personal information to help reduce social security fraud, is that really unusual? it seems like it's necessary if you're going to audit fraud and catch things like a 9 year old getting veteran benefits or whatever.
i think doge is definitely framing cuts in ideological ways for political points. and i believe they are specifically looking for and cutting DEI related stuff, because they've plainly stated as much. but problematic framing and motivations aside, i do think it's a massive net benefit, and especially if their work helps weed out and cut off people who systemically commit fraud and waste for years and for millions/billions of dollars.
Don’t believe their lies because they’re just that lies.
Nothing they are doing is efficient because they don’t care. They just want to attack the government.
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For something HN relevant please look back at all the stupid comments Musk made after he was forced to acquire Twitter. Comments like there being hundreds of “ghost employees” or wanting devs to print their code changes.
People pointing out that the premise and actions of something are contradictory isn't misinformation. Rather, it's revealing misinformation - the premise.
We can't just believe everything anyone says, especially when their actions are so obvious in contradiction. It feels like I'm being gaslit.
You're a troll.
you can look at my post history - i do routinely push back against things that i consider factually not true that are both trump and elon related, but i have also very frequently and loudly voiced my concerns and opinions about the ways they have hateful and problematic behaviors
my post history is also extremely, extremely left. i am very anti-capitalism and pro progressive causes, and i'm also trans. i have no desire to support the agendas of two people who don't respect me as a human being
i push on misinformation because i think there are real, meaningful things to attack these two people on. and i think the hyperbole of everything they do is literally what hitler would do distracts from the real issues.
i want to talk about ending wars, making sure everyone has basic access to housing and healthcare, that people can feel safe living their lives in ways that has literally no impact on anyone else. i want to end massive income and wealth inequality. and trump and elon are massively fucking those things up. i want to focus on that harm, and not the stuff people are making up
i also want to shed light on the problematic things that trump does that other presidents have also done. obama also had kids in cages. this isn't "whataboutism", it's an attempt to highlight that the problem isn't republicans versus democrats, though i recognize republicans are uniquely harmful. they both really, really suck, and cause millions of deaths a year. i want to highlight that voting blue isn't usually solving the biggest problems while acknowledging that it does solve some of them
I didn’t know Biden had issued an executive order on this. That’s exactly what we needed.
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(give the razor, sell the blades...)
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(I want weed legalized too, but it's a thorny issue.)