Hmmm, normally a Homeland Security official would merit more default credibility than some Twitch streamer... But the year is 2025, and that exact official has been telling lies about victims they illegally kidnapped without trial and renditioned into a life-sentence in an El Salvador concentration camp.
[0] https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-ad...
M4v3R•3h ago
Edit: to all who say this is protected by the Constitution. Yes it is. But the the 1st amendment does not say that any speech can have zero consequences for you. For example it’s not a very good idea to talk about bombs at an airport even if it’s a joke.
Also reposting the link someone posted below: https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Hasan_Piker%27s_Support_of_Know...
If in doubt please go watch these and make your own opinion.
Now is this enough to get you detained at an international airport? I don’t know, that’s up for a debate.
saubeidl•3h ago
M4v3R•3h ago
goykasi•3h ago
itake•3h ago
The federal government would have good reasons to protect national security to question people that threaten our national security.
goykasi•3h ago
itake•1h ago
thomasingalls•3h ago
Edit: to be clear, I think Hasan is a fool, but detaining him still smells like a political purity test
M4v3R•3h ago
thomasingalls•1h ago
I get that you don't think this is a problem. Just remember this when you are looking for someone that you can't find anymore.
spoiler•3h ago
olelele•3h ago
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alangibson•3h ago
> endorsed
> praised
> interviewed
All protected by the constitution (for now).
Also, please provide references or there's no reason for anyone to take your comments seriously.
danpalmer•3h ago
I'm not saying your comments are in bad faith, I don't know (and encourage you to provide links to back up your statements), but these comments are reminiscent of frequently made bad faith comments, so the only way to differentiate is by providing that evidence with your statements.
elefanten•3h ago
https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Hasan_Piker%27s_Support_of_Know...
wesselbindt•3h ago
johnduhart•3h ago
1: https://www.polygon.com/news/527186/destiny-steven-bonnell-s... 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destiny_(streamer)#Post-Twitch...
saubeidl•3h ago
danpalmer•3h ago
What id prefer is a link to a video or post or something where he makes one of these comments so that I can understand what he’s saying myself, or a link to someone I trust making a statement on it. I will go and watch some of the linked clips, but you can understand that this is a much higher time investment and not something I really want to do for every comment I read online. Id much rather see evidence and links provided by the person trying to make the point.
M4v3R•3h ago
forgotoldacc•3h ago
I also don't know the guy beyond seeing his name a few times online. Don't know a single thing he said. But I've also reached a point where I don't care because I've seen so many people simply ask "what's the point of this?" and end up being called terrorist sympathizers.
Maybe he's bad. Maybe he's good. But there are so many efforts out there to build up absolute databases of random quotes people say to frame them as evil that I don't even want to contribute to either side by taking a stance. Because it's only a matter of time until some new thing becomes The Big Evil and some dumb thing I've said gets me labeled a terrorist.
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Terr_•3h ago
The choice to lie suggests a guilty conscience with something to hide, which adds more weight to Mr. Piker's competing interpretation of the event as targeted or escalated harassment.
wesselbindt•3h ago
This is incorrect. The kid you're referring to is not a member of the Houthi tribe, and there's no evidence he's a terrorist aside from him saying some angry stuff on social media (and what teenage boy hasn't, especially one living right next to a country committing genocide). I'm sorry but that's just not enough to call someone a terrorist, and calling him one anyway is pretty shitty. Words have meaning, please try to treat them as such.
docdeek•3h ago
Are yoiu refering to Israel? If so, Yemen and the Houthis are not close to being ‘next to’ Israel - it’s about the same distance as Paris to Istanbul (approx. 2000km).
wesselbindt•3h ago
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wesselbindt•3h ago
To expand slightly on the point: look at what teenagers from very comfortable, peace-ridden, rich western nations are saying online. Some of it is quite normal and unproblematic, but some of it is unhinged/uneducated (take for example 4chan). My point was that having had a genocide committed against you (or if you don't like that term for what SA did; a military invasion) as a teenager is probably gonna make your comments lean a bit more to the unhinged/uneducated side. I think that's normal and expected.
suraci•3h ago
hell yeah, me too
what a comrade
qsort•3h ago
I used to look up to the US because this kind of bullshit wouldn't fly. Was I mistaken?
lmm•3h ago
strgcmc•3h ago
Now, today? Yes it would be a mistake to continue to believe that US is somehow immune to "this kind of bullshit".
Decisions can only be judged relative to specific points in time and relevant context. Situations change. Looking up to America made more sense in the 80s/90s/00s/10s even, but by now in the 20s? There is nothing noble or pure left, not that we were ever all that noble or pure to begin with; still, the corruption is naked and explicit now, case in point - see $400M gift plane from Qatar.
abc-1•3h ago
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johnduhart•3h ago
The Government taking action against a citizen for voicing opinions it does not agree with falls pretty clearly into what the 1st amendment covers. This is not a "yelling fire in a crowded theater" type scenario where speech is being restricted for the benefit of many.
saubeidl•3h ago
vFunct•3h ago
If you call Hamas a "terrorist" organization, that just means you are on the Israeli side, and says more about you than anything else.
People that support Palestine don't consider Hamas a "terrorist" organization, and in fact, consider them heroes.
It just shows your bias when you declare Hamas to be a "terrorist" organization.
Americans have every right to express support for Hamas. The US government isn't the arbiter of speech. It's perfectly fine to support Hamas. The vast majority of the world supports Hamas over Israel.
mariusor•2h ago
> ter·ror·ism:
> The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians,
> in the pursuit of political goals.
Irrespective anyone's sympathies for those goals, the facts are the facts and the actions are the actions.
vFunct•2h ago
The only valid definition is: "terrorism is anything I don't like"
This is why Republicans called it a "terrorist fist bump"
mariusor•2h ago
I know it's uncomfortable to think that we might side with the terrorists, god knows we've been conditioned by countless hours in counter-strike to think they're the bad guys, but sometimes that's what we feel, and we should make peace with that. It's OK to agree with the goals, but disagree with the means.
vFunct•2h ago
Also you’re trying to normalize the government definition. That’s not going to happen.
Instead, you’re going to take the side of the “terrorosts”. You’re going to define them as a military instead of a terrorist group. You’re going to see their actions on October 7 and elsewhere as legitimate military tactics, since that’s what they are.
Everybody else in the world does. I would suggest you catch up.
toofy•2h ago
i have also seen videos of him unequivocally stating “the murders by hamas on innocent people was unequivocally disgusting and wrong, even though they’re wrong, this doesn’t magically justify the multiple times over murder of other innocents just for some kind of retribution, thousands of them are innocent people too.” [1]
i have also seen pieces edited from the same videos that always seem to remove the first and last part contexts and only show the out of context pieces.
again though, i haven’t spent much time, only wanted to add the wider context that i have personally seen.
[1] paraphrasing because i honestly don’t have time to spend hours digging through videos, but the sentiment is spot on to what ive seen him say multiple times.