less heart disease - you drink carrot shakes while you exercise vs you eat steaks while you sit behind table...
Both cars and meat are huge cultural lighting rods, and focusing on them for climate action has high risk, but focusing on meat as climate action is high risk with very few climate gains.
I'm mostly familiar with California-centric inventories because I want to influence state and local policies.
California State's inventory: https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/ghg-inventory-data
There used to be really great consumption-based maps at this site, but I'm not finding them at the moment. Instead here is a per-city breakdown of estimates: https://coolclimate.berkeley.edu/inventory
One thing that takes a very long time to change is transportation. City planning is pretty ossified. Cars have multi-decade lifespans. So starting the change for transportation is a very very urgent need. Diet is far more flexible, and there are innovations such as specific types of algae added to cows' diets that drastically reduce methane emissions. Changing the diet of cows is a far faster change than replacing every consumer's vehicle with a clean one.
The history of environmental action shows that it's very easy to regulate and bring business in line. It when it comes to consumers, it's far far trickier. Tackling meat, which is a quarter of the emissions of the diet of folks, may need to happen eventually but it will have far less impact than legalizing apartments in dense urban cores and allowing people to live without cars.
https://openknowledge.fao.org/server/api/core/bitstreams/492...
Animals rights activists often hide this type of information to tie themselves to climate activism.
So right there off the bat, beef CO2 / calorie is 30x higher than the plants they eat (or whatever the multiplier was).
We didn't do any of these for the bison.
People in the US sometimes focus on global action, but as a US resident it seems completely inappropriate to be telling people who emit far far less carbon that they need to stop eating beef, before people in the US have stopped far far worse activities.
Why does it need to be one or the other? It's definitely true that the US has higher greenhouse gas emissions per person than most other places. Shouldn't we focus on reducing emissions anywhere we can?
I've spoken to lots of Americans who are under the false impression that food miles are the most important factor when it comes to sustainable food, this article makes the case that it's actually meat.
I think it's reasonable to say people should eat less meat (especially in the US) and we should also reduce emissions from transportation and energy.
But for systematic change, and systematic change is what's needed, there are sever political consequences for focusing on hugely unpopular actions that have little effect. Attacks on meat have empowered those who oppose climate action, which is just below 50% of the population in the US. Focusing climate action on meat consumption has been counterproductive, just as doomerism about climate action is used to make people feel helpless and then abandon taking any action at all.
We have very little time to make massive climate strides, and anything that slows down the fastest action in the US, like prioritizing meat consumption and not placing it in the proper context, causes great harm to the cause. Just as focusing of food miles by hapless media has caused great harm for climate action.
Some Australian outback cattle stations may cover millions of hectares, but you're not going to be able to grow anything else out there: too hot and little water and unlike cattle you can't move your pea farm to where the water is.
I would agree that land-clearing (cutting down forests) to raise cattle is unacceptable, as are the use of feed-lots, but I would disagree that we need to eat less meat, and I would personally never give up my grass-fed organic beef.
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ovligatecarn•3h ago
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
ada1981•1h ago
I don't think anyone needs to eat animal products to be at optimum health, I've just never seen it.
Also, the idea veganism is extreme is wild. Eating plants and fruit vs. paying someone to essentially torture animals that you'd keep as pets and love in a different context... that is extreme.
doctordemen•1h ago
> I don't think anyone needs to eat animal products to be at optimum health
might not be the most accurate position to hold.
kartoffelmos•14m ago
Give this a second thought: humans don't synthesise B12 either.
baggy_trough•2h ago
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spacephysics•4h ago
You would need exogenous supplementation for parity.
strken•3h ago
Calwestjobs•3h ago
No carbon is not everything.
For example who cares about carbon when you can grow all food with same energetic and nutritional value on 3-10 times less area. that means less labor, less machinery, less storage, less fertilizers, less processing....
You can even grow additional plants to act as "fertilizer" for next crop... and still use less land than land needed to feed cows to feed you.
Just how many people are employed in extremely low wage jobs like processing, sorting, butchering poultry. or look up on youtube how involved is to cut beef into final products, people have their bones in their hands crooked from all the work, not even talking about work injuries, they can not work until pension/retirement in that industry. so why not use them in better jobs instead from start, for whole of their career.
Meat markets were suspected with helping the transfer of disease from one type of animal to another species... There is 10s - 100s of MILLIONS of poultry dispatched because of avian flu in europe every year, for last 20 + years. China alone experienced the culling or death of around 225 million pigs due to ASF from 2018-19. foot-and-mouth back in europe this year too, etc, etc.
yes carbon is not everything.