Survivorship bias is also likely involved.
I think you'd find lots pf people who find some relatively recent streaming shows to be amazing. You may not like them but there are many fans of shows like Stranger Things, The Crown, The Handmaid's Tale, The Queen's Gambit, Silo, Severance, Succession, ....
Line of Duty - decent procedural but increasingly bonkers stories and hammy script/delivery.
Adolescence - well produced but liberal scare story. Netflix!
Haven't seen the others.
Hardly in the class of historical Beeb let alone contemporary US brilliance.
you're nitpicking. it's a high class, well-produced, well-acted, British-made TV show, by the BBC, of a very high quality that would be well-regarded in any era (if you ignore the weird racial thing they did in S2)
>Line of Duty
your opinion is absolutely in the minority, which isn't to say it's wrong, but it's a very well regarded, high class show that's widely seen as well above "decent procedural"
>Adolescence
whether it's liberal or paid for by Netflix is irrelevant to whether it's a high quality British-made tv show
>you haven't watched the others
then you're going to struggle to give a useful opinion on this matter, aren't you?
>Hardly in the class of historical Beeb
every historical BBC show you can name will have myriad minor subjective criticisms of the like you've just produced
>let alone contemporary US brilliance.
if you think US TV is even remotely comparable with UK TV, you're not paying attention. the US is long since out of its golden era, which pretty much died with Game of Thrones. US media has an order of magnitude more financial means than that of the UK, and yet what have they created of any real quality in the last few years besides White Lotus? they repeatedly fail to even remotely approach the class and quality of our TV. on the rare occasions they do get close, it's on the back of British actors or British production
It is a propaganda outfit (and was from inception). It has special legislation to force TV owners to pay - this tax is called the 'license fee'. In the past only people who had been 'cleared' could work there.
While people think that the UK's recent legislation is dystopian, the reality is it was ever thus as we see with the bbc. I would be very glad to see it go, but that won't happen because - it's utility as a megaphone to the governance system remains very high.
Here is the bbc admitting it lied for -50-, sorry, 70 (!) years, to members of parliament even, about the vetting: https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-43754737
I certainly suspect this is only a partial disclosure - not only political outlooks would be considered.
Simply a lying, propagandising institution.
I do not think it is as dystopian as recent legislation. It did not intrude into our private lives!
At least it's not the made up right wing shit that runs America.
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And most pharma ads are not aimed at you and I, it's aimed at medical providers. That's how lucrative pharma marketing is for pharma.
And I completely disagree with your claim that all media is propaganda. Propaganda is a word that is defined. So I'll chalk that up to hyperbole. As in: if my objective is to make a nice song that people tap their feet to, is that propaganda because it has an objective? If so, then the word "propaganda" is diluted to the point of meaninglessness. You may as well say "all media is media."
first of all, even if MI5 vetting for this kind of thing wasn't a completely reasonable precaution--read Spycatcher if you don't know why--do you think the BBC had a choice in matters?
second, this was 30 years ago.
third, if we're going to just disband any institution that's silently beholden to MI5, you may as well abandon the whole country.
fourth, the BBC makes a metric tonne of fantastic content enjoyed by people all over the world, and yet somehow it should be disbanded for trying to keep soviet spies out over 30 years ago?
people just love to hate the BBC, egged on by the cowardly, self-interested right-wing media, and it's just sad, because it's genuinely one of the truly great things about the country. it's our greatest artistic cultural achievement by a long distance
Sadly, lying for decades to everyone is indeed Britain's greatest artistic cultural achievement.
It was the comedies that were particularly good and very British. Some were very unusual and bizarre, the late night shows. But they were also where writers and comedians got a break and then became mainstream. I would guess that kind of thing is now made for the internet, and its a shame to see everything go so niche.
An article I came across a couple of years ago (wish I could find it!) talked about how there was this period of time when British TV started to diversify the source of talent, around the 80s and 90s. You got shows like Red Dwarf where the cast were not all from the same small set of drama schools. But it has now reverted and that kind of low budget, take a chance show doesn't get shown on the main channels.
'Speaking in October 2017, Lucas stated that if he were to remake Little Britain he would avoid making jokes about transvestites and would not play the role of a black character, saying, "Basically, I wouldn't make that show now. It would upset people. We made a more cruel kind of comedy than I'd do now... Society has moved on a lot since then and my own views have evolved".'
Basically the risk taking has gone in modern comedy.
Now that I think about it, it's no more cruel than what most kids watch on YouTube today.
There are a few other comments listing them all. The uk has lots of high quality novel shows coming out every year. Our tv export market is strong, both for programming and for formats.
Bring in monthly subs and cap presenter salaries and I'll dip in from time to time.
"Oh, but if we don't pay them they'll leave"
Let them go! I'd happily read some words for a few hours each day for a mere £200k.
To be fair, plenty of fans (and the occasional pundit) complain (and have been complaining for years) but unless the authorities get involved (FA, UEFA, FIFA, etc.) and implement proper financial controls (there's some coming in 2025/26 around player salaries but we also need controls on money coming from TV rights, self-sponsorships, etc.) with actual transparent penalties (they're still soft-pedalling City whilst kicking Everton and Forest), nothing will happen.
And if one group of talent moves on it'll make space for the next generation.
space promptly filled by B or C tier talent as the best go and work elsewhere to get paid appropriately
however, I think you're very wrong to include the presenting of entertainment and educational shows with that. presenting these shows well is something that requires a genuine art. if news presenters wages were capped, nothing significant would change. if entertainment presenters wages were capped, there'd be a huge talent drain and shows would become worse in quality, giving a massive advantage to the generally awfully produced commercial channels that make lower quality content interspersed with brainrot fucking adverts and phone in quiz competitions
2021: $29.698 billion
2022: $31.616 billion
2023: $33.723 billion
2024: $39.001 billion
YouTube has both super high quality stuff (lectures etc) and incredible trip.
But it'll be there even if AppleTV or HBO go bust YouTube will still be there.
Offer something people want to watch, and they'll come.
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I cannot think of another show that I've watched... There was a David Tennant murder mystery show that was quite dark, but I didn't finish that one, either.
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