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Richard Garwin’s role in designing the hydrogen bomb was obscured

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/19/science/richard-garwin-hydrogen-bomb.html
54•LAsteNERD•3d ago

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mitchbob•3d ago
https://archive.ph/16i0Y
Supermancho•9h ago
> One proposed version[^1] had the force of more than 600,000 Hiroshimas. Even so, Cold War analysts coolly judged that it could reduce a region the size of France to ashes. His weapon was a planet shaker. It could end civilization.

Except... [^1] https://archive.ph/Md1YG

[^1]https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

Were they just wrong by an order of magnitude or 2 because of previously unforseen limits, like air pressure? Or maybe 100MT is not the same as 600k Hiroshimas. Casually, the blast doesn't look like it's has a similar effect.

MathMonkeyMan•8h ago
Wikipedia says that the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima had a yield of about 16 kilotons of TNT. 600k of those would be 16*600 megatons, or 9600 megatons. That's 96 times more than the original target yield of 100 megatons for Tsar Bomba.

I don't know if that's possible, but it makes sense that it would "reduce a region the size of France to ashes." Maybe the design had a lot of stages.

cjbgkagh•7h ago
IIRC there is no hard limit on the size of a hydrogen bomb. That said many small nukes operating as a cluster cover more area for the same material due to the inverse cubed law.
dghlsakjg•7h ago
AFAIK, you can just pack as much fuel as you want into the secondary to scale the size of a thermonuclear bomb. So yeah, there is no size limit. Interesting aside; the US had the dial-a-yield mechanism that allowed one bomb to deliver a selectable amount of energy, not sure what the mechanism for this was, however.

As to your second sentence, pretty sure that’s what a MIRV is.

dboreham•5h ago
Variable yield weapons presumably still exist. Particularly depth charges iirc.

Usually the yield can be selected between two or more fixed levels rather than a continuously variable input. Often this is implemented with tricks such as disabling the secondary and/or disabling boosting in the primary.

chickenbig•4h ago
> not sure what the mechanism for this was, however.

Boosting (injection of deuterium/tritium into the centre of the pit) causes a large increase in yield because fusion generates lots of high energy neutrons that go on to fast fission your (still compressed) pit.

    According to one weapons designer, boosting is mainly responsible for the remarkable 100-fold increase in the efficiency of fission weapons since 1945.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boosted_fission_weapon
CamperBob2•7h ago
Teller really, really wanted to build a gigaton bomb. That may have been what the author was thinking of.
mousethatroared•7h ago
Big boom booms are easy.

Nuclear bomb design research since the sixties is all about making them as clean and low yield as possible. These two goals are counters to each other, but once you've mastered it your nuclear arsenal becomes less of a garage queen and a lot more useful.

somenameforme•6h ago
Your linked site for some reason doesn't include fallout by default, nor does it seem to factor casualties from it. Turn on fallout + surface burst, and a 100MT bomb's deadly fallout range goes from the center of France (where the label is on their map) to the center of Germany and I suspect that's an extreme underestimation, especially the conic they give.

It's also possible that the NYTimes is conflating facts by accident. Your demo link only accounts for single big-blast effects but the way you optimize damage with nukes is lots of smaller bombs, often in a single bomb - MIRV is one name for this. The reason is pretty simple. We approximate the explosive range as a sphere and the volume of that sphere is proportional to the cube (^1/3) of the yield.

So if you increase the yield by 10x you only increase the explosive radius by something like 2.15x. On the other hand, detonate 10 bombs side by side and you increase the radius by 10x. This not only maximizes damage, but also works to further nullify any sort of anti-missile defense. And 100MT would be well more than enough to obliterate France.

You can also kind of intuit this by thinking about 100MT means. That's 100,000,000 TONS of TNT explosive capacity. That's about 1.5 tons of TNT for each and every person in France. That's just a stupidly massive absurd amount of destruction.

05•5h ago
> detonate 10 bombs side by side and you increase the radius by 10x

By 10**.5~=3.2x

lostlogin•2h ago
It’s not very tidy phrasing, but I think the meaning is that 10 detonations next to each other (blast diameters touching) is 10x the diameter?
somenameforme•2h ago
He's right. You'd want to arrange them in a square for comparable coverage so it'd be sqrt(10) = ~3.2.

It feels somehow nice and correct that an effort to reduce a 3d problem (basically a lot of our boom goes up or down, which is not necessary in most cases) to a 2d one changes it from a gain of x^(1/3) to x^(1/2).

lostlogin•53m ago
The OP presumably meant a line of blasts though? That would possibly be the least efficient orientation after blasting the same spot 10x.
benbayard•6h ago
I think it's probably referring to this bomb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E55uSCO5D2w

I think the key is proposed weapon, instead of practical weapon. It's a fascinating video, you should check it out!

mikeyouse•5h ago
It’s a reference to this paragraph where they hypothesized about a 10,000MT bomb;

> All of which is to say that the idea of making hydrogen bombs in the hundreds-of-megatons yield range was hardly unusual in the late 1950s. If anything, it was tame compared to the gigaton ambitions of one of the H-bomb’s inventors. It is hard to convey the damage of a gigaton bomb, because at such yields many traditional scaling laws do not work (the bomb blows a hole in the atmosphere, essentially). However, a study from 1963 suggested that, if detonated 28 miles (45 kilometers) above the surface of the Earth, a 10,000-megaton weapon could set fires over an area 500 miles (800 kilometers) in diameter. Which is to say, an area about the size of France.

Teller’s crazy ass wanted to build a 10,000MT bomb with a 1,000MT primary..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundial_(weapon)

jasonhong•9h ago
Incidentally, IEEE Spectrum published a fascinating interview with Dr. Garwin just a few months ago. https://spectrum.ieee.org/richard-garwin

> At IBM, where he worked from 1952 to 1993, Garwin was a key contributor or a facilitator on some of the most important products and breakthroughs of his era, including magnetic resonance imaging, touchscreen monitors, laser printers, and the Cooley-Tukey fast Fourier transform algorithm. > > And all that was after he did the thing for which he is most famous. At age 23 and at the behest of Edward Teller, Garwin designed the very first working hydrogen bomb...

perihelions•8h ago
> "and the Cooley-Tukey fast Fourier transform algorithm"

Supposedly, at Garwin's scheming, one of the creators wasn't aware the immediate application of the algorithms they were optimizing was nuclear weapons,

> "Tukey reportedly came up with the idea during a meeting of President Kennedy's Science Advisory Committee discussing ways to detect nuclear-weapon tests in the Soviet Union by employing seismometers located outside the country. These sensors would generate seismological time series. However, analysis of this data would require fast algorithms for computing DFTs due to the number of sensors and length of time. This task was critical for the ratification of the proposed nuclear test ban so that any violations could be detected without need to visit Soviet facilities.[4][5] Another participant at that meeting, Richard Garwin of IBM, recognized the potential of the method and put Tukey in touch with Cooley. However, Garwin made sure that Cooley did not know the original purpose. Instead, Cooley was told that this was needed to determine periodicities of the spin orientations in a 3-D crystal of helium-3."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooley–Tukey_FFT_algorithm#His...

adastra22•5h ago
That application was for detecting nuclear bombs, not making them. That’s a big difference.
opello•4h ago
I expect at the time the distinction was irrelevant.

I also don't think it's necessary to be critical about the wording above. Perhaps "was related to nuclear weapons" reads better? But it's not exactly ambiguous, especially after reading the quoted passage.

smartbit•4h ago
Richard Garwin was member [0] of Pugwash [1]

He was an active and kind participant in many Pugwash, ISODARCO and Amaldi conferences. From 1982 on, Garwin worked with Gorbatschev’s Science Advisor, Evgeny Velikhov, and other American and Russian scientist on proposals limiting nuclear arsenals and space-based weapons.

[0] https://pugwash.org/2025/05/20/obituary-and-appreciation-for...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pugwash_Conferences_on_Science...

divbzero•4h ago
In 1995, fifty years after the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, and forty years after the signing of the Russell–Einstein Manifesto, the Pugwash Conferences and Joseph Rotblat were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize jointly "for their efforts to diminish the part played by nuclear arms in international politics and, in the longer run, to eliminate such arms."
Hilift•4h ago
> He graduated at 19 and Standard Oil offered him a full ride for graduate study at the University of Chicago, which had one of the nation’s top physics departments.

I think it's fascinating that Garwin was at University of Chicago at the same time as Theodore Hall studied for his masters/Phd in Physics after he left the Manhattan Project. Hall left the university in 1952 for Memorial Sloan-Kettering in New York City. At exactly that time, an intense counter espionage investigation targeting Hall had been underway for several years.

Hall provided the single most detailed document of the plutonium device to the Russians. They were both child prodigies. Hall was recruited into the Manhattan Project straight out of Harvard when he was 18.

"journalist Dave Lindorff, writing in The Nation on January 4, 2022, obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, Hall's FBI file in 2021. This 130-page file included communications between FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover to the head of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, Gen. Joseph F. Carroll, showing that Carroll had effectively blocked Hoover's intended pursuit of Hall and Sax, probably fearing that Hall's arrest would have, in the political climate of the McCarthy Era, forced the Air Force to furlough and lose their top missile expert, Edward Hall. Carroll, a former top aide to Hoover before he became the first head of the USAF OSI, ultimately allowed Hoover's agents to question Ed Hall on June 12, 1951 (with an OSI officer monitoring the interview). Within several weeks of that session, the Air Force, which had conducted and completed its own investigation into Edward Hall's loyalty (having their own investigators question him four times), promoted him to Lt. Colonel, and later Colonel, and elevated him from assistant director to director of its missile development program. The promotions were a clear slap in the face to Hoover. Ed Hall went on to complete the development of the Minuteman missile program, and then retired."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Hall

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