Are you serious? You complain about the 2008 crisis and capitalism and yet completely neglect the true purpose of crypto? No wonder you drank the Google kool-aid
Ditto, if someone beats me with a wrench and I give them a password accessing $500 of crypto, what % of my stash have they just claimed? Do they stop or continue with the wrenching? What is the stopping condition here?
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-attorney-announces-h...
> On November 9, 2021, pursuant to a judicially authorized premises search warrant of ZHONG’s Gainesville, Georgia, house, law enforcement seized approximately 50,676.17851897 Bitcoin, then valued at over $3.36 billion. This seizure was then the largest cryptocurrency seizure in the history of the U.S. Department of Justice and today remains the Department’s second largest financial seizure ever.
Having you physically within their jurisdiction (and/or drone strike reach) permits quite a bit of leverage. As the XKCD comic notes… https://xkcd.com/538/
Fraud?
What's the latest version of this one these days?
You can not seriously claim that this modern incarnation of Bitcoin is what was originally intended. That would be ridiculous.
To be fair I never stereotyped them even in my mind. But the audacity and dismissal of others was very bating.
I did my best but still a very poor job of arguing and had to step away.
You may read different threads than the parent. I see it occasionally. Not as often as the crypto bros, but it exists on HN.
How do you know they are white?
ohh. I feel like I understanding something about my peers now that I had not caught onto before
I wonder why we don't see more software engineering co ops?
Selling the code does.
Engineers typically aren’t very good sales people.
A lot of engineers are replaceable though. They get less stock.
Hardly 'anarchist'.
The "minutiae" you so casually refer to are people. The OP understands that:
> The “campus” was pretty open and my then-wife visited it a few times; it creeped the Fuck out of her, the distinction between people and non-people.
I'll try to be more clear. This reads like reality TV drama when there are bigger things going on. It misses the dark forest for the brown weeds.
To me the bigger point really IS the corporate dehumanization, but the details (other than the white gringos laughing about layoffs) distract from the deeper issues and sound more like gripes of a coddled coder than real criticism. When an individual is more concerned with their own personal jokes/disses than the work they're doing, you get folks at Enron joking about turning off "GrandMa Millie's" electricity in profitable, but unnecessary rolling blackouts.
They actually sold out.
Google was “obnoxiously open about” do no evil and the other stuff described in the blog post. It’s natural for people who bought into those lies to react accordingly. Nothing in the blog post suggests a belief that polyamorous anarchists would be better at running things.
Nothing in the post suggests that polyamorous anarchists would be better at running things. The post suggests that there are things Google didn’t live up to in terms of what it claimed about itself. You should try to analyze things unemotionally. Perhaps then you wouldn’t make such obviously bad conclusions.
I think pretty much every example given in this story is pretty typical and in line with the expectations a sane person should have when deciding to work at a large corporation. Clearly the author didn't like it, and I think it's fairly obvious that the author thinks Google should have done things differently. If that reads as too emotional on my end for you I am sorry but I can't help but be a human being.
Yes, she did bring up the part about being asked for terms her community uses. She came across as irrational in this part. It’s best to just leave it alone or mention how she came across irrational without saying she is “obvious” about her identity. That line took away some of your credibility. At least to me. I could be wrong.
It is simply not possible to extract billions of dollars unless you have ascended above the idea of not fucking people over.
I bet if we really start hashing this out the number is real small, but you won't be able to talk about it because it'll make everyone in $750,000 feel bad.
It's one of the reasons I'm loathe to look for another "job" and instead pitch my services on HN or wherever. I cannot abide another job that pays well but makes it impossible to get a good night's sleep, regularly.
I say that as a manager of narcissistic assholes who are always “brutally honest” and feel that their honesty excuses their brutality.
"The company is deceiving people and should reconsider messaging to reflect reality" is not a personal attack; even in a "blameless" culture, you are expected to note that the causal chain includes "Dave hit the wrong button, which should not have happened because we should have safeguards on the button and reviews to make sure we have safeguards on all the expensive/dangerous buttons." Sorry, Dave.
>if only they had polyamorous anarchists running things
This comment comes off as highly reactionary.
The straw man is obvious. There was no coherent argument to be made against a constructed absurdity.
Some people are able to point out problems without saying "and I am the solution".
Others are not capable of seeing a problem pointed out without assuming the speaker is holding themselves up as a paragon of what ought be.
Do you think that being reactionary is a bad thing?
I'd rather save my energy. Not every comment you see online is deserving of respect or a thoughtful response. It's clear they weren't willing to actually engage with the article and provide a meaningful comment, and I pointed that out before disengaging.
Irony is a lost artform.
The horror of finding out that my employer lies to me and invades my basic human right to privacy, because they know they can only get what they want from me by manipulating me.
> The tragedy of being ignored when bringing up office equipment in a discussion about saving costs in a tech platform.
The tragedy of pointing out, that apparently only some deverse clean water, while others don't, and having it fall on deaf ears.
> The inhumanity of having workers hired to make food and do dishes on a Friday.
The inhumanity of devaluing people based on their misfortune in life, that didn't enable them to jump into a well paying tech job.
> The absolute gall to be asked a question about the identity you are proud and obnoxiously open about.
The absolute gall of my employer to berate me about my pride, my _identity_ they find so obnoxious, only to take advantage of it once it serves their purpose.
The water purifier thing was CARTOONISHLY evil, like you took it from the fucking Fallout Universe!!!!
> The fact that Google fired me...
Normally you have to work somewhere to get fired. I suppose that's an assumption I made upon reading that part.
> let us go back in time and space, and journey to tropical Brazil in the distant time of 2007…
This article is set in Brazil, in 2007. Did you skip the introduction and then complain about the lack of an introduction?
> let us go back in time and space, and journey to tropical Brazil in the distant time of 2007
Ultimately work is a give and take. And it gets easier when it is clearly defined what is given and what is taken. That is what "professionalism" in a work environment is about. Pretending that work is some great family adventure can only lead to terrible results when conflict inevitably arises.
Being authentic in the working world helps in so many ways. And it works when your goals and the goals of the company align. The advice to just shut up and code leads to no good outcomes for anyone.
Bad ways: just yammering about how you are poly, bi, trans, and a revolutionary anarchist while we are trying to finalize OKRs for the quarter.
People have different presentations for different social contexts. That's typical and normal. For a working example, the social context of the marital bedroom is not the social context of the city playground where you mind your kids. Differences in clothing, actions, words.
This spans into most areas of life.
You don't have to sterilize your work life - but you do have to have _boundaries_.
People do present differently in different contexts. But it is a requirement to file off all your sharp edges to participate effectively in the workplace. Intentionally limiting yourself, your output, to cater to the social conformity of others seems to be an anti-goal. But it is what we do.
yeah, having a job sucks shit, we know
most people don't have the luxury of working a job that's worth aligning with
In another post, you mention
>Bad ways [to bring your whole self to work]: just yammering about how you are poly, bi, trans, and a revolutionary anarchist while we are trying to finalize OKRs for the quarter.
Do you know who 'yammers' most about their personal lives? Straight people with kids! It's not even close. I wish the majority of people doing the yammering were poly, bi and trans. It might be a touch less boring.
I never really thought much of it at the time. Internalized that as “oh, I misunderstood the purpose of the email.” But it tracks with elements of OP’s story; the exposition of your identity is curated.
This is not true. Free software is not.
Also, Ubuntu is not free software. Only some parts of it are free.
A lot of free software is.
When did Google pay less than Microsoft/IBM?
This part is talking about VISITING ARIZONA. As in, they are not from nor do they live in Arizona.
> One day one of the AdSense people asked me for a little meeting. They sat right by my desk, all sleek and confident, and said that they had heard I was a Gaygler™ and were wondering if I could help with one of their clients. “Can you tell me some words that the Brazilian gay community uses? like slang, popular media you like, names of parties, that kind of thing?”
Nowhere does it say that they're not Brazilian. Is this because they asked for Brazilian gay slang specifically? I assume they just wanted to be specific, to get terms used in Brazil. If I ask someone to name some Canadian foods, that doesn't mean I'm not Canadian.
I'm not in love with this article or anything but I am baffled by the number of people on this website, who I assume have rudimentary reading comprehension, getting confused by the fact that a different location is mentioned, even though the article opens by specifying exactly where and when it's set.
This hits home.
Wtf does this even mean? If Hamas used Google docs to plan their attack, does that make Google guilty of killing Israeli families? Coincidentally, this sort of hyperbole always seems to end at the critic's own actions in the chain of complicity of evil. I've never heard an activist call claim that they were personally funding genocide by paying taxes.
Hamas could also surrender after losing the war they started, at any time, and stand trial for starting a war. Hamas can choose to stop using their children as shields at any time. Hamas is to blame for everything.
If you live in the US or Israel, you would have hundreds of effectives for every house, instead of killing people in a ratio of 60 to 1 (and counting)
Also the human shield argument is so 2023 and makes no sense at all. If someone still slaughters those supposed shields, why would you bother to use them? Why would those people allow themselves to be used like that? If your enemy has human shields and you go ahead and slaughter women and children, you are just as bad if not worse than the person doing that. So no, Israel is directly responsible for those deaths.
Also the only documented cases of human shields are by the IDF using kidnapped Palestinians to clear tunnels for boobytraps.
See: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/2025-05-24/ty-artic...
This also just ignores the fact that Israel is forcing starvation on the entire population. And ignores that Israel would still continue the genocide even if Hamas laid down all arms and surrendered.
Some of this in any case sounds like the usual "did not grow up in white collar society, got white collar job, got in trouble for violating white collar norms" that class-changers go through. Lots of !!fun!!.
I too get troubled when the operations staff get "invisible'd" - they are members of society too and should be treated with dignity. But in a tolerably decent situation, they are recognized and respected in their field as well. Even if its the evening shift to do the janitorial work. There's nothing _immoral_ about having a party and hiring some people to clean up. It's treating them as _lower_ than you that is the failure.
Anyway. There's an - as far as I know - as yet unwritten story around those of us who came from non-white collar backgrounds and found this new world confusing.
And this is true all the way up to the top! For each of the many rungs on the socio-economic totem pole, there are many people on that rung who treat everyone on rungs below them as if they're invisible robotic servants.
It's crazy to think about now. Google's image was a big driver in my choice to go back to school and start a tech career, my end and pretty much only goal was to work at google. I made it through several rounds of interviews and got rejected pretty late. It hurt really bad at that time, but looking back now, I think it was one of the best things that could have happened to me.
What I learned about memetics and the way information flows was incalculable, and I realized it was like holding a weapon of mass destruction. The last thing I wanted to do was allow others to understand how it worked, or how to build one. I essentially burnt what I built because I didn't want it to fall in the wrong hands.
Could someone build it themselves? Probably, but I put 15 years of my life into building it, and I did so when the Internet was still useful. I only put enough of my thought process about the system online to allude to the fact that I had built it, not enough for someone to reconstruct it. When I sold the last of the sites, I took the code offline and unplugged the hard drive and hid it.
It's been almost 6 years since then and the only companies to come close are wasting there time with LLM. I do not think the current iteration of A.I. is even close thankfully, but at some point someone is going to crack it, probably even better than I did (I had a limited budget, slow internet, and was working mostly by myself).
Gotta love the pure distilled dystopia concentrate here, complete with totalitarianism vibes!
It's not because they wanted Engineers to feel like golden gods to build their egos - it's because they don't want the TVCs to be treated as employees under employment law. There was a guy who worked in the kitchens who got added to access the music room storage closet in PDX so he could keep his guitar there, and we were told he had to be removed since he was a TVC. That closet is apparently "FTEs and interns only", because if we treat our kitchen staff too well they might have to be given the same benefits as the rest of us.
It used to be possible for somebody to work their way up from the mailroom to the executive suite. This path has been deliberately destroyed because the owning class wants to divide employees into different classes.
No war but class war.
My only nitpick it to charge Google of the invisibility of maids and servants in Brazil. Brazil is one of the most unequal countries in the world and this is part of the country culture. Google is not guilty here.
At least we are improving. Nobody with a brain still think that techno companies and billionaires are anything more than comic book super villains.
nickdothutton•13h ago
I feel that as a GenX'er I should now dispense some wisdom to Millenials and Zoomers about life, but I just don't have the energy. Read Gaetano Mosca.
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officeplant•12h ago
As a middle of the pack Millennial (late 30s) Its wild to think I'm older than my Dad was when he introduced me to Slashdot as a young teen.
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